Dear Tanks

[virgil204]

ok Tanks

I know pulling silly amounts of mobs in a dungeon. Makes you feel really tough.

1. You are a human being. you are not tough or brave cos you run in 20 mobs and cause your group to run in after you. Even if you could do that in real life most real life army soliders would call you dumb not brave

2. You are actually not the one that is doing anything valuable at best your spamming 1 aoe taunt and have run out of cool downs before even one mob is half way through it's health. No sirs then person actually doing the work is the healer. He is now under intense pressure to

2a. spam heal you
2b. not pull hate cos he's overhealing
2c. Heal the dps who are deserpately trying to avoid the numbers does the 20 mobs are shooting out every 2 seconds

the melee dps actually does a lot less dos cos they spend more time avoiding aoes.


All because you had to prove how tough you are to a bunch of strangers using fake names dressed as cats and midgets.

[Tubben]

So, you had a bad run?

Here is the correct thread for it : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ry.-Let-s-vent.

[Ameela]

Sorry I just don't feel like having a 30-minute run of Skalla...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I am that healer, and I ask tanks to pull everything because I'm bored outta my mind otherwise. Just pop your CDs competently and go be brave!

[Laerune]

2/10, I have faith that your next work will be alot better.

[BillyKaplan]

It's complex. If you have a SAM/BLM combo it's a waste not to pull big and let your dps go to town (assuming the dps know what they're doing). However, I do find that many tanks just aren't aware of how big they can pull, be it their own gear, their own skill, healer's gear and/or skill, or if you have two dps whose aoe isn't that grand, maybe you better not pull from boss to boss. A kind of low-level example, I can pull big in Brayflox if I see I have a BRD and a BLM. But I had two DRGs the one time so we took things nice and slow and just melted everything one by one because between them and our AST, our only AoE was if the dps split targets and AST spread their dots lmao.

[Mhaeric]

Large or even full pulls are good if the group can handle it. Note that this means the entire group, not just the tank or just the healer, or even just the two of them. If the DPS is too slow, whether simply from lower ilevel or even just from them being single target focused jobs, then a tank and healer can run out of resources in a prolonged fight with multiple targets and be overwhelmed even if they can normally do it with 2 other dps who have high AoE potential.

Take a look at your group's formation and decide from that. E.g. if you have a smn and a blm there's a good chance you'll be fine with full pulls. If you have a ninja and a monk, there's a much smaller chance that a full pull will be as successful. If a full pull doesn't work then don't try it again unless there's an obvious fix. E.g. "Oops, I Benedictioned myself not you by mistake. Sorry!"

That said... I do notice as a healer that there are very noticeable gaps in tank effectiveness. Some tanks can do full pulls in Skalla and I barely even have to heal them. I just pop an adlo/excog on them pre-pull and the fairy gets the rest and I can dps the whole time. Other tanks are super squishy and from the way they pull probably don't even realize it. On them I have to rotate adlo, physic, lustrate every 2 gcd just to keep them alive, never mind having time to dps. Most are on a spectrum between this, but either extreme is not uncommon. I personally chalk up the fact that most tanks, even the squishy ones, like to do full pulls to the Dunning-Kruger effect, to be honest. I.e. the bad tanks don't realize that they're bad tanks and think they're a lot better than they actually are.

[virgil204]

sorry I play SAM. SAM does more dps when they can actually stay on the mob rather than running only over the place avoiding Aoes. It's a bad idea just to mass pull and I've seen it kill many a group unnecessarily

you don't save anytime at all by pulling 20mobs at the same time. you just put your group in danger. Like you have explained there are many factors here required to make this 20mobs mass pulling work.

General rule in life is the more factors required to make something work the higher chance it has to fail.

so keep it simple in general. The fact is every tank thinks he has what it takes to make it work. I've seen this false statement on these forums before.
i.e
I'm a tank and I always check gear and class make up

I've played this game since launch. I have yet to see one tank do that. It's a lie you guys make up to justify a bad habit. no one does.

you simply charge in and ask everyone to pick up the pieces.

[Mhaeric]

Erm... SAM is an AoE beast if played well... and melee dodging aoe's is not that hard. It's why melee attacks are mostly instant. SAM do have that occasional cast time one, but it's not that long of a cast time.

you don't save anytime at all by pulling 20mobs at the same time.

Casters are laughing at this statement. There's nothing I love more on my RDM/BLM/SMN than a full pull. My dps skyrockets and things melt so fast.

[Mhaeric]

I've played this game since launch.

Join Date: Oct 2017

FWIW, I'm getting the impression that you are someone who bought a level 60 potion and as a result now know everything there is to know about the game. That's the attitude that you're choosing to display at least.