Character creation

[Vegituh]

Oh yeah, when I said Rework I meant to completely change the gangly look of Elezen. But honestly body types could fix that problem, giving every race a few options (Average, Thin, Overweight, Muscular) kind of deal, or just giving more sliders on sections of the body to maybe balance out the weirder parts on Elezen lol

Oh sure. Let's just force Elezen players to join the prestigious ranks of "Humans+". Let's just destroy a races look because it doesn't fit what you like.

It's already bad enough that Yoshi and his team seem adamant on not giving us more unique races in this game, Gods forbid that they have to alter gear models. So lets not go destroying the Elezens (and Roe/Lalas for that matter) uniqueness. Not everything has to fit everyone.

I am perfectly happy playing a giraffe. Just like I assume Lalafells enjoy playing potatoes, and you enjoy playing a human teenager cosplaying as a succubus (Succubus lite?)

Uhm. No. Stop yourself.

More facial options sounds good though.

Exactly this. More faces and other things like tattoos or facial marks. Less destroying races identities because you don't like em.


Edit

Err, I should of worded that better. I mean, keep the Elezen we have now but add more body types/sliders (like keep everyone's body right now as 'Average' and then add more) so maybe I can make an Elezen character look decent

"Body types"? What other kind of body types do you expect from the Warrior of Light? We are an "adventurer" whos always on the move, constantly doing physically strenuous exercises in a high fantasy "middle ages" type world. Of course the characters are fit. Its the only thing that makes sense.

Also "so maybe I can make an elezen character look decent?" Rude. But hey. I guess we poor Elezen will never reach the lofty heights of "human teenage girl cosplaying as a succubus or cat". Woe is us.

[Niraves]

Also "so maybe I can make an elezen character look decent?" Rude. But hey. I guess we poor Elezen will never reach the lofty heights of "human teenage girl cosplaying as a succubus or cat". Woe is us.

You should lay off the caffiene buddy. You're the one being rude.

[Vegituh]

You should lay off the caffiene buddy. You're the one being rude.

I'm not the one suggesting that we destroy a races look because it doesn't gel with me without any regards to the players who play said race.

[Niraves]

I'm not the one suggesting that we destroy a races look because it doesn't gel with me without any regards to the players who play said race.

Neither is she. She said herself that she worded it poorly, shes not saying she wants to take away the look of current Elezen, simply suggesting more options. Which I must say, I would love to have not just for Elezen but for all the races.

[Vegituh]

Neither is she. She said herself that she worded it poorly, shes not saying she wants to take away the look of current Elezen, simply suggesting more options. Which I must say, I would love to have not just for Elezen but for all the races.

More options so she can "fix it". Which would end up making no one look correct. I've seen what people do with silders. Like those horrible Dark souls "joke characters". Can't wait to see some long limbed small body lalafell running around. Thatll make the game look great.

How about, instead of immersion breaking limb and neck sliders, we get more important customization options. Like more faces, or horns and facial features not being tied to the specific faces. How about more unique races? Lets add some of those, like Lupin, Bangaa or even the Viera concepts that we saw before. That is development time spent right.

[Niraves]

I've seen what people do with silders. The horrors of Dark souls joke characters. *shudder*

How about, instead of immersion breaking limb and neck sliders, we get more important customization options. Like more faces, horns and facial features not being tied to the specific faces. How about more unique races? Lets add some of those, like Lupin, Bangaa or even the Viera concepts that we saw before. That is development time spent right.

Sliders would have to be a no, or very limited in the same way the current bust sliders are so that you can't actually have a giraffe neck or something weird like that. I think just having a few more default options would be a great start. More faces for sure, more eye shapes and things like that.

I'm all for more unique looking races as well, but I do wonder how much time/work it would be to make all the existing armor fit exotic skeletons, I know they said the feet were an issue for Vierra and Lupin.

As for 'fixing' Elezen, I hate to say that I'm one of the people who can't seem to make a female Elezen I actually like the look of. It isn't that I find them ugly, but no matter how much I try I can never seem to make one look the way I want it to in character creation. Male Elezen are gorgeous and should be left just how they are. (Aymeric. <3 <3) But again, more options wouldn't hurt. A way to make them a little more muscular, or maybe a bit shorter. Just a few simple things that would give you more customization, without turning them into Hobbits.

[Vegituh]

Sliders would have to be a no, or very limited in the same way the current bust sliders are so that you can't actually have a giraffe neck or something weird like that. I think just having a few more default options would be a great start. More faces for sure, more eye shapes and things like that.

I'm all for more unique looking races as well, but I do wonder how much time/work it would be to make all the existing armor fit exotic skeletons, I know they said the feet were an issue for Vierra and Lupin.

Sliders are exactly what she was asking for. And anyways, a slider that does barely anything isn't even worth adding. I'm still standing by my "no limb sliders" thing.

Also I'm honestly getting tired of the whole "unique races will take too long/too much effort!" thing that people always fall back on. Yes, alot of people play Miqote and Hyurs. But if we are just going to go by the majority, then we might as well force everyone to play Hyur at this point. It'd be like saying "well not alot of people play tank or healer, so we aren't going to add anymore... wait.

Variety and options are always good for the customer. And is well worth the development time. But at the end of the day, Square still doesn't want to give FFXIV the time and money it deserves. So the chances for really unique playable races is very low.

As for 'fixing' Elezen, I hate to say that I'm one of the people who can't seem to make a female Elezen I actually like the look of. It isn't that I find them ugly, but no matter how much I try I can never seem to make one look the way I want it to in character creation. Male Elezen are gorgeous and should be left just how they are. (Aymeric. <3 <3) But again, more options wouldn't hurt. A way to make them a little more muscular, or maybe a bit shorter. Just a few simple things that would give you more customization, without turning them into Hobbits.

Most of those problems would be fixed with more faces. More faces and facial feature options would do wonders in making the races more customizable. We don't really need to delve into body sizes and sliders, except maybe butt sliders. Keep the iconic look of each race there while adding more customization.

[Berethos]

shes not saying she wants to take away the look of current Elezen, simply suggesting more options.

Options that aren't Elezen.

Longer proportions and pointy ears make Elezen - anything else isn't Elezen.

It would be like saying I want to make a Roe that is diminutive as a female Hyur midlander because I don't like the proportions of their shoulder to hip ratio, or some other such silliness.

[Niraves]

Options that aren't Elezen.

Longer proportions and pointy ears make Elezen - anything else isn't Elezen.

It would be like saying I want to make a Roe that is diminutive as a female Hyur midlander because I don't like the proportions of their shoulder to hip ratio, or some other such silliness.

And if you want to do that, you should be able to. I don't see customization options as a bad thing, as long as its not ridiculous. And like she said, she wants more options, shes not saying they should scrap the look of current Elezen and remake them entirely. Keep your Elezen how you want it, but theres nothing wrong with more choices.

[Berethos]

And if you want to do that, you should be able to. I don't see customization options as a bad thing, as long as its not ridiculous.

There's the difference - I see changing the look of a race to something that no longer looks like that race to be ridiculous...unless you're making a new race. That's what she wants - not just more options, but options that don't fit what Elezen are.

Half-Elezen as an option, that are less lengthy in arm, leg, and neck? Have at it.

Having an Elezen that is less lengthy in arm, leg, and neck? That's not an Elezen. Don't like it, play a different race.

Also, yes I am cranky about this, but Elezen get more "change them please" threads and comments than any other race and it's really starting to get annoying. People are upset that they can't play their Tolkien-esque elves (essentially human but fairer and with pointy ears) and just. Keep. Bringing. It. Up.