Shinryu Ex needs a nerf

[Eimian_Eda]

No, it doesn't need a nerf, in any phase. One death is not a wipe on P3.
Next thread.

[dotsforlife]

The phrase "git gud", as much as I loathe it, applies here. Carry on.

[Mariel_Crystallie]

hmmm nope , Shinryu doesn't need nerf at all .

at Elemental data center RF are doing fine , mostly wipe due someone error on 1st phase but as long as we clear 1st phase on RF = 100% guaranteed clear now. (once again it's R A I D F I N D E R not Party Finder) . not to mention there's a lot PF doing it just fine on Elemental data center.

when you talk about : "I'm a good player , but I got shitty team that keeps dying over and over" . please find yourself a good Party Finder on your data center , or just fine some human that you called a F R I E N D to farm shinryu with you instead doing everything S O L O like a stupid anime main hero ROFL. really dude this is MMORPG not Console RPG. git gud & git fren or just git lost. ( btw you did say you only have few hours/day due your works . if you can't handle pugs , schedule your self on game to find some F R I E N D S *LS farm ex/savage etc* instead doing every single content solo like headless chicken mating party )

P.S : I really had enough to people that whining and asking for nerf for every damn content , could you just appreciate devs that already make a great content? you don't want people waste your 10-15min? , then why you expect devs gonna waste their dozen amount of time working on content that going to get nerf later on so everyone just can press 123123123 and win the content? . Please dude RESPECT DEVELOPERS CONTENT! once again this is MMORPG game , and yeah sry for my harsh words , I already on my limit seeing thread like this keep popping up on every single new content up.

[Enla]

At least it isn't bad as Thordan from what I've heard, and they did warn us ahead of time that it'd be at that level of needed skill regardless. Just keep throwing yourself at it and you'll eventually get it.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

show me where that option is to take a 8 man party in where you can control everyone Id glady use that option wouldnt do a single peice of content with another person if that was available it should be so I can just stop dealing with people anyway

"If only I could play with seven other Mes. Because I'm perfect"

[Fyce]

You're lacking being able to see an obvious irony. Op complains about difficulty, even though that fight is far from being difficult. Especially middle and last phase, are super easy compared to some earlier primals. The fact that op or you get god awful groups, doesn't automatically mean everyone struggles with it. Following this logic lets nerf o3s and o4s as well, as its hard to get good pugs in there. That's complete nonsense. It's called extreme for a reason. It's meant to be bit harder than typical content in this game but not as hard as final raid encounters. And guess what - it's exactly that kind of difficult. This game is already mostly faceroll, so asking for more faceroll type encounters like first 2 primals introduced with Stormblood, is just beyond me. Shinryu doesn't need any nerfs due to time naturally nerfing that fight already. If you struggle now, simply get better groups or try again later instead of asking to nerf a fight that a lot of people find enjoyable and tunned just right. Luckily - seeing the amount of likes and type of replies that OP gets, its easy to see that barely anyone agrees with this nonsense.

While I agree on the argument that Shinryu shouldn't be nerfed, you are not in a position to say anything about people having trouble with PF groups.
If OP wants to voice a frustration about PF groups not being good enough most of the time, then it's their very right to do so. Saying that it's "nonsense" or that "the game is a faceroll anyway" when you don't seem to be able to relate to their situation is not a welcome comment. It's like having a rich person saying to a poor one "life's easy, what you complain about is nonsense!". Also, I hope you realize that "simply get better group" is a completly useless thing to say. That's the very point of OP, not being able to get reliable PF groups.
Like it or not, the complain is valid, especially coming from someone who did quite a bunch of kills in PF already. Their experience in the matter is probably more relevant than yours.

That being said, I reiterate that Shinryu shouldn't be nerfed for that reason. But that doesn't make the complaint "nonsense". The complain is absolutly founded and based on true experience.

[ShaneDawn]

Shinryu follows the same principle in fight design as most "difficult" content in Stormblood. The fight peaks mid-way through the fight and you get to play the slow ride to the end. Incidentally the "hardest" mechanics in the fight happen on the first phase, with the second and third phase being pretty faceroll in comparison.

Due to said design, the difficulty can barely hold a candle up to Sephirot, not to even mention Thordan. The fight is in no need of nerfs at all. The last phase of Shinryu is one of the easier finales when looking at the whole spectrum of Extreme encounters we've had past the lifespan of the game.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You cleared 33 times but want a nerf? What?

OP basically wants it easier so she can farm for the mount, which I find amusing since I wager they'll be among the first complaining how little content there is if Shinryu EX were nerfed.

[Imsoangry]

While I agree on the argument that Shinryu shouldn't be nerfed, you are not in a position to say anything about people having trouble with PF groups.
If OP wants to voice a frustration about PF groups not being good enough most of the time, then it's their very right to do so. Saying that it's "nonsense" or that "the game is a faceroll anyway" when you don't seem to be able to relate to their situation is not a welcome comment. It's like having a rich person saying to a poor one "life's easy, what you complain about is nonsense!". Also, I hope you realize that "simply get better group" is a completly useless thing to say. That's the very point of OP, not being able to get reliable PF groups.
Like it or not, the complain is valid, especially coming from someone who did quite a bunch of kills in PF already. Their experience in the matter is probably more relevant than yours.

That being said, I reiterate that Shinryu shouldn't be nerfed for that reason. But that doesn't make the complaint "nonsense". The complain is absolutly founded and based on true experience.

My point was that asking for nerfs is nonsense given the fact that this fight clearly doesn't need them. Op has right to voice anything really, just like I have right to call it ridiculous if I find solid reasons to do so. I realise that entire thread comes from frustration, I really do - that doesn't justify asking for nerfs though. For this reason I mentioned o3s and o4s which you obviously ignored. Why those two shouldn't get nerfed ? Shouldn't everything be doable easily with no preparations in raid finder ?

I clearly can't fully relate to what op says as a hardcore raider, but not necessarily because I'm ignorant to the fact there's plenty of bad players in this game. I get it really. However for this reason, and aslo because it's a MMO you simply make friends. You can't expect EU/NA party finder group to be really good all the time, as most good players just stick to those who they know they can rely on. My group often pick up random friends for farming stuff if we're missing someone, we never open up pf though, as its simply unreliable. I know some people who have even less time to play than OP and yet they have no problems farming primals when they want to do so.

Like any other content in this game, it will get easier as time goes by due to itemlevel increase. You can already skip loads of mechanics if your group is competent enough. For this reason, I find asking for nerfs now, when the fight is not even a month long, a complete ignorance and selfishness. So to sum it up - let's nerf the fight that devs been working on, because op can't farm fast enough and playerbase is not good enough to easily faceroll it through party finder groups every single time ? You know what ? that's a definition of nonsense right here.

"Get better group" is not an useless advice. It's in fact one of the best op can get. Instead of whining for nerfs on OF, just man up, and make a farm linkshell. Do some party finder groups and simply pick up those who perform well. If you're indeed good enough, it won't be a problem and people will join you for sure. Then you can have solid pool of players everytime you want to farm any future primals instead of relying on complete strangers most of the time.

[Bernkastelx]

"If only I could play with seven other Mes. Because I'm perfect"

Just going to leave this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYE2HARqyIU