Shinryu Ex needs a nerf

[WizzNL]

Future patches will nerf the fight due to ilvl increase and skipping phases. As such, stop asking for nonsense nerfs where they're clearly not needed. Instead go faceroll susano and lakshmi. On those 2 you pretty much can't fail so should be perfect fights for you.

If someone cleared 30+ times, its not them who fail. So saying they should go Suzy or Lakshmi makes no sense or you just lack reading skills.

I understand how OP does feel, after trying to clear Shin for over a week now. Its just hard to get 7 ppl who dont mess up, if you dont have a static. I dont want SE to nerf it though, the challenge is something i enjoy but i do wish there were more pug groups with 8 decent people.

[Imsoangry]

If someone cleared 30+ times, its not them who fail. So saying they should go Suzy or Lakshmi makes no sense or you just lack reading skills.

I understand how OP does feel, after trying to clear Shin for over a week now. Its just hard to get 7 ppl who dont mess up, if you dont have a static. I dont want SE to nerf it though, the challenge is something i enjoy but i do wish there were more pug groups with 8 decent people.

You're lacking being able to see an obvious irony. Op complains about difficulty, even though that fight is far from being difficult. Especially middle and last phase, are super easy compared to some earlier primals. The fact that op or you get god awful groups, doesn't automatically mean everyone struggles with it. Following this logic lets nerf o3s and o4s as well, as its hard to get good pugs in there. That's complete nonsense. It's called extreme for a reason. It's meant to be bit harder than typical content in this game but not as hard as final raid encounters. And guess what - it's exactly that kind of difficult. This game is already mostly faceroll, so asking for more faceroll type encounters like first 2 primals introduced with Stormblood, is just beyond me. Shinryu doesn't need any nerfs due to time naturally nerfing that fight already. If you struggle now, simply get better groups or try again later instead of asking to nerf a fight that a lot of people find enjoyable and tunned just right. Luckily - seeing the amount of likes and type of replies that OP gets, its easy to see that barely anyone agrees with this nonsense.

[Fyce]

You're lacking being able to see an obvious irony. Op complains about difficulty, even though that fight is far from being difficult. Especially middle and last phase, are super easy compared to some earlier primals. The fact that op or you get god awful groups, doesn't automatically mean everyone struggles with it. Following this logic lets nerf o3s and o4s as well, as its hard to get good pugs in there. That's complete nonsense. It's called extreme for a reason. It's meant to be bit harder than typical content in this game but not as hard as final raid encounters. And guess what - it's exactly that kind of difficult. This game is already mostly faceroll, so asking for more faceroll type encounters like first 2 primals introduced with Stormblood, is just beyond me. Shinryu doesn't need any nerfs due to time naturally nerfing that fight already. If you struggle now, simply get better groups or try again later instead of asking to nerf a fight that a lot of people find enjoyable and tunned just right. Luckily - seeing the amount of likes and type of replies that OP gets, its easy to see that barely anyone agrees with this nonsense.

While I agree on the argument that Shinryu shouldn't be nerfed, you are not in a position to say anything about people having trouble with PF groups.
If OP wants to voice a frustration about PF groups not being good enough most of the time, then it's their very right to do so. Saying that it's "nonsense" or that "the game is a faceroll anyway" when you don't seem to be able to relate to their situation is not a welcome comment. It's like having a rich person saying to a poor one "life's easy, what you complain about is nonsense!". Also, I hope you realize that "simply get better group" is a completly useless thing to say. That's the very point of OP, not being able to get reliable PF groups.
Like it or not, the complain is valid, especially coming from someone who did quite a bunch of kills in PF already. Their experience in the matter is probably more relevant than yours.

That being said, I reiterate that Shinryu shouldn't be nerfed for that reason. But that doesn't make the complaint "nonsense". The complain is absolutly founded and based on true experience.

[Imsoangry]

While I agree on the argument that Shinryu shouldn't be nerfed, you are not in a position to say anything about people having trouble with PF groups.
If OP wants to voice a frustration about PF groups not being good enough most of the time, then it's their very right to do so. Saying that it's "nonsense" or that "the game is a faceroll anyway" when you don't seem to be able to relate to their situation is not a welcome comment. It's like having a rich person saying to a poor one "life's easy, what you complain about is nonsense!". Also, I hope you realize that "simply get better group" is a completly useless thing to say. That's the very point of OP, not being able to get reliable PF groups.
Like it or not, the complain is valid, especially coming from someone who did quite a bunch of kills in PF already. Their experience in the matter is probably more relevant than yours.

That being said, I reiterate that Shinryu shouldn't be nerfed for that reason. But that doesn't make the complaint "nonsense". The complain is absolutly founded and based on true experience.

My point was that asking for nerfs is nonsense given the fact that this fight clearly doesn't need them. Op has right to voice anything really, just like I have right to call it ridiculous if I find solid reasons to do so. I realise that entire thread comes from frustration, I really do - that doesn't justify asking for nerfs though. For this reason I mentioned o3s and o4s which you obviously ignored. Why those two shouldn't get nerfed ? Shouldn't everything be doable easily with no preparations in raid finder ?

I clearly can't fully relate to what op says as a hardcore raider, but not necessarily because I'm ignorant to the fact there's plenty of bad players in this game. I get it really. However for this reason, and aslo because it's a MMO you simply make friends. You can't expect EU/NA party finder group to be really good all the time, as most good players just stick to those who they know they can rely on. My group often pick up random friends for farming stuff if we're missing someone, we never open up pf though, as its simply unreliable. I know some people who have even less time to play than OP and yet they have no problems farming primals when they want to do so.

Like any other content in this game, it will get easier as time goes by due to itemlevel increase. You can already skip loads of mechanics if your group is competent enough. For this reason, I find asking for nerfs now, when the fight is not even a month long, a complete ignorance and selfishness. So to sum it up - let's nerf the fight that devs been working on, because op can't farm fast enough and playerbase is not good enough to easily faceroll it through party finder groups every single time ? You know what ? that's a definition of nonsense right here.

"Get better group" is not an useless advice. It's in fact one of the best op can get. Instead of whining for nerfs on OF, just man up, and make a farm linkshell. Do some party finder groups and simply pick up those who perform well. If you're indeed good enough, it won't be a problem and people will join you for sure. Then you can have solid pool of players everytime you want to farm any future primals instead of relying on complete strangers most of the time.

[WizzNL]

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Again, learn to read. Nowhere in my post im asking for a nerf, im even stating i dont want SE to nerf the fight because im enjoying the challenge. So when did i ask for more faceroll content like Susano? And saying just get a better group isnt good advice, it just shows you dont use PF a lot. I know not everyone struggles with the fight, enough people cleared it, but there are a lot of groups who do struggle so its not simply get a better group. I put several hours into trying to get a clear every day and 95% of the groups i encounter are just rubbish. Thats why i wrote i understand how OP feels, it doesnt mean i want it nerfed or im going to give up.

[Imsoangry]

Again, learn to read. Nowhere in my post im asking for a nerf, im even stating i dont want SE to nerf the fight because im enjoying the challenge. So when did i ask for more faceroll content like Susano? And saying just get a better group isnt good advice, it just shows you dont use PF a lot. I know not everyone struggles with the fight, enough people cleared it, but there are a lot of groups who do struggle so its not simply get a better group. I put several hours into trying to get a clear every day and 95% of the groups i encounter are just rubbish. Thats why i wrote i understand how OP feels, it doesnt mean i want it nerfed or im going to give up.

I think it's you who has obvious problems with reading. Nowhere in my posts I say that you ask for faceroll content. I clearly relate to what op says while arguing the point you're trying to make - that you understand op feelings. I don't. It's basically whining and reasons why I explained in my previous post. It is simply "get better group" indeed, like it or not - it's the plain truth. You claim that you fail because your group is bad. In that case make your own. If its not you failing and you're a good player (though no offence, but there's plenty of reasons that lead me to believe that you're not), then you will easily find people to farm with, if you commit yourself into it. Put some REAL effort. Just randomly joining complete strangers in pf, and expecting you will easily farm is extremely naive and unrealistic and you should know that by now. For this reason I'll repeat myself - make friends. It's a MMO. It's always better to play with people you know instead of randoms who can disappear without saying a word at any given time. It's easier than ever now, given we have cross world party finder and friends list.

[Fyce]

The last phase (before the final DPS check) is actually the easiest one, with only a few mechanics. These mechanics aren't hard and don't requires the same level of awareness or tight execution that the previous phases do.
So if this phase was to be nerfed, it'd actually be too easy. In extreme fights like this, you often have either hard mechanics but with easy recovery, or easy mechanics with hard recovery. That's exactly what happens in Shinryu.
The echo and gear progression will be more than enough.

[KoshikiMurasaki]

I'm also PuG but I don't see good reason to nerf it. One day in future, we will get echo or can unsync it.

[Ilyrian]

Wouldn't the thread be better as: "PuG groups need a buff"?

[Lastelli]

No. People just need to gitgud.

It's not like shinryu is difficult anyway. It's just that the average skill level of the playerbase is incredibly low. And the easier the content, the more bad players you will find in these so called (trap) farm parties because even clueless players will be able to clear it if they're lucky enough to find a decent party that can easily carry them.