Shinryu Ex needs a nerf

[KaivaC]

I knew this was going to happen eventually. Quit calling for nerfs on extreme content. Seriously. Yes, PUGs are human...which means they need to get better at the content they are trying to beat. Perhaps you had a bad string of groups - maybe it's because those players are bad, have an off day (yes, it does happen), tunnel visioned, or a combination of these things. Even if they were to nerf if, your suggestions will just kill this fight and turn it into a near faceroll. No, Shinryu doesn't need a nerf, and he definitely does not need a nerf in Ex. Quit it.

[KaivaC]

I'm all for it, nobody want contents for less than 10% of players, everything should be doable for 50% of the playerbase atleast (if not more). To be sure it's not a waste of ressources.
I'm sure Nic Pay would agree with me.

This trial is doable for more than 50% of the player base, it's just that there are a lot of lazy players out there who don't want to try anything hard. If that's what they want to do, hey, we don't pay their sub, but at the same time, they shouldn't be whining and complaining about content that's available, but they will not do. I've said it before, I'll say it again, if people want to do this, they need to take the time to actually learn how to do the fight and then go out and do it. Not come to the OF and complain that they can't do it because of blah blah blah. A significant portion of lvl 70s do nothing but sit around and AFK - those who do this need to stop coming here to complain.

[Demielle_Tournes]

Stop calling nerfs on content that should be hard and are meant to midcore-hardcore players. If you can't do it now, wait for ilvl increase or unsync.

[RiyahArp]

It doesn't need a nerf, but they really need to stop doing 8 man raid fights that seem to have a short shelf life when relevant, and have tons of incentive to wait for overgearing. Thordan had the same issue. There's too many perverse incentives with hard content. If all you want is a weapon for glamour and a mount, it's actually easier to do when the fight is irrelevant, which makes it harder for people to do like the OP.

[Demielle_Tournes]

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The is a mistake that lots of people make; to think that hard content is only for gear/glams. Only for Ilvl increase. The greatest reward for raiding content, extreme or savage, is the clear itself. That's pretty much it for all MMO's out there. People are in for the challenge, , the thrill of the fight and eventually gearing up to challenge the next content. It's pretty much how hardcore content on mmo's work.

It actually works this way. The ones who want to do it on the appex of the content will clear it and farm straight away with the challenge. If you want easy and brainless farming (not judging, i cleared Triad extremes only on SB because i didn't want to worry about hardships back in HW), you wait. Because time will nerf it.

[Imsoangry]

Future patches will nerf the fight due to ilvl increase and skipping phases. As such, stop asking for nonsense nerfs where they're clearly not needed. Instead go faceroll susano and lakshmi. On those 2 you pretty much can't fail so should be perfect fights for you.

[Fyce]

The last phase (before the final DPS check) is actually the easiest one, with only a few mechanics. These mechanics aren't hard and don't requires the same level of awareness or tight execution that the previous phases do.
So if this phase was to be nerfed, it'd actually be too easy. In extreme fights like this, you often have either hard mechanics but with easy recovery, or easy mechanics with hard recovery. That's exactly what happens in Shinryu.
The echo and gear progression will be more than enough.

[KoshikiMurasaki]

I'm also PuG but I don't see good reason to nerf it. One day in future, we will get echo or can unsync it.

[Ilyrian]

Wouldn't the thread be better as: "PuG groups need a buff"?

[Lastelli]

No. People just need to gitgud.

It's not like shinryu is difficult anyway. It's just that the average skill level of the playerbase is incredibly low. And the easier the content, the more bad players you will find in these so called (trap) farm parties because even clueless players will be able to clear it if they're lucky enough to find a decent party that can easily carry them.