Shinryu Ex needs a nerf

[Ghastly]

I vote for nerf but it's probably too late now since 4.2 is near now. One of the reasons 4.1 didn't feel like a complete package in my opinion is because shinryu ex wasn't something most of the community could strive for in a reasonable amount of time. Patch 3.1 is known as one of the worst patches ever and they repeated the same mistake by making Shinryu Ex like Thordan Ex, in my opinion. Didn't the raiders get ultimate bahamut?

To me the best times of FFXIV were when a lot of the community was actually interested in the time required to clear/farm these Extreme primals like sophia, susano, lakshmi. Everytime they add the Thordan and Zurvan like primals it really ruins what could be a fun time for most of the community. Raiders are still running omega and savage, that should be enough specially considering the ilevel on shinryu ex weapons is something raiders don't even want/need. If we study each patch one by one, you'd come to realize that the best ones had the "easier" extreme primals.
It gets your FCs involved, your linkshells, it's really the best time.

[TaleraRistain]

I can see your point on how one person dying can screw groups. SE seems to like doing that. But this is an Extreme trial. It's supposed to be difficult. And I'm speaking as someone who hasn't even done it yet. I'm a bit on the casual side, and not all content is something I'm going to tackle when it first comes out. I'm perfectly okay with that.

[Aomine1992]

Um no lol I've been in parties during the third phase where is 3 ppl die and we still clear, the fight is easy irregardless of any of these reasons I've seen healers solo heal the third phase plenty of times it's all about the skill level and for this fight you can be barely mediocre and still clear....it's just as easy as V1s

So my question is what kind of Bad groups have you been in because if the fight is nerfed it will venture into the Lakshmi ex level which is pitiful

[Wanzer]

Um no lol I've been in parties during the third phase where is 3 ppl die and we still clear, the fight is easy irregardless of any of these reasons I've seen healers solo heal the third phase plenty of times it's all about the skill level and for this fight you can be barely mediocre and still clear....it's just as easy as V1s

So my question is what kind of Bad groups have you been in because if the fight is nerfed it will venture into the Lakshmi ex level which is pitiful

Can confirm : both tanks died in the same time during my first kill, but we still managed to beat Shinryu.
They both died during the adds phase, and one of them also died just before the QTE (by jumping from the edge), so he was extra weak for the last part. But still no problem to finish it.
(and it was in pug, not a static or something)

[MaloraYuki]

I'm all for it, nobody want contents for less than 10% of players, everything should be doable for 50% of the playerbase atleast (if not more). To be sure it's not a waste of ressources.
I'm sure Nic Pay would agree with me.

Yet they made ultimate... hmmm seems your theory is a little off. Hardcore players need stuff too.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I vote for nerf but it's probably too late now since 4.2 is near now. One of the reasons 4.1 didn't feel like a complete package in my opinion is because shinryu ex wasn't something most of the community could strive for in a reasonable amount of time. Patch 3.1 is known as one of the worst patches ever and they repeated the same mistake by making Shinryu Ex like Thordan Ex, in my opinion. Didn't the raiders get ultimate bahamut?

To me the best times of FFXIV were when a lot of the community was actually interested in the time required to clear/farm these Extreme primals like sophia, susano, lakshmi. Everytime they add the Thordan and Zurvan like primals it really ruins what could be a fun time for most of the community. Raiders are still running omega and savage, that should be enough specially considering the ilevel on shinryu ex weapons is something raiders don't even want/need. If we study each patch one by one, you'd come to realize that the best ones had the "easier" extreme primals.
It gets your FCs involved, your linkshells, it's really the best time.

Shinryu wishes he was at Thordan's level. He's more comparable to Nidhogg and simply demands players pay attention. But yes, lets make him deadbrain simple like Susano who was being rolled over day one. Zurvan, likewise, has no business being compared to Thordan. He was a complete pushover if you actually knew how to play your job. Unfortunately, he exposed just how many people can't perform a basic opener. Frankly, Soar isn't even a difficult mechanic, people just wanted to brute force it. As for Ultimate, it's intended for the extremely hardcore crowd hence the paltry .02% clear rate. This is a fight that demands 95% perfection over an almost twenty minute duration. Even good raiders simply don't want to dedicate the sheer amount of prog hours necessary.

The best weren't the "easier" ones. People were already complaining how boring endgame was before Omega dropped because Susano and Lakshmi rolled over. How about your (generalizing) FC pay attention to mechanics? Shinryu isn't an overly difficult fight. He simply won't let you stand around wailing on him while he tickles you.

[HyoMinPark]

Yet they made ultimate... hmmm seems your theory is a little off. Hardcore players need stuff too.

They’re being sarcastic.

[Gargall]

As someone who hasn't even had the chance to attempt the fight yet I've just only one thig to say: Please, don't nerf it.

[whiskeybravo]

Disagree.

3rd phase is quite a bit easier than first phase. Maybe it's harder to recover from a death due to the stack mechanic, but every other mechanic in the 3rd phase is easier than the first. He doesn't even do anything while the heads are up, just stands there like a big doofus for a couple minutes.. The auto attacks hit for like 6-7k unmitigated, half the damage of an AA from Hali or ExD.

Asking to nerf content that was practically Dead On Arrival. Higher end raiders already had 340 weapons when it released so the only thing to really farm is the dog.

[LyraKuroneko]

Disagree.

3rd phase is quite a bit easier than first phase. Maybe it's harder to recover from a death due to the stack mechanic, but every other mechanic in the 3rd phase is easier than the first. He doesn't even do anything while the heads are up, just stands there like a big doofus for a couple minutes.. The auto attacks hit for like 6-7k unmitigated, half the damage of an AA from Hali or ExD.

Asking to nerf content that was practically Dead On Arrival. Higher end raiders already had 340 weapons when it released so the only thing to really farm is the dog.

Having to do the fight, only to farm is a bit sad though. I know it's been the case since the beginning but still.