Shinryu Ex needs a nerf

[Paladinleeds]

Why can't they? I mean if you have time to sit in a PF then you have time to make an LS specifically for raiding, grab a few people from the FC if you're in one, set up weekly schedules of when you can raid and you're good.

If people could do 40 man content back in the days in WoW with a full guild then there's no reason in this game you can't get 8 people from an LS or FC.

I mean I did PUGs myself, but we all joined a Discord together and grew that way. We don't have a linkshell (that I know of, host's server is different to mine), but we do use a Discord of PUGs just joining in and sticking around.

[Shouko]

I mean I did PUGs myself, but we all joined a Discord together and grew that way. We don't have a linkshell (that I know of, host's server is different to mine), but we do use a Discord of PUGs just joining in and sticking around.

Sounds like it turned into a static, which is also fine.

I'm not trying to berate anyone, but all I see is constant whining about content being too hard, or PvP is unbalanced, my class is broken I want to do more damage than this class, type of threads and it's exhausting. I know i'm whining about other people whining and I have a choice not to check the threads out but really that's all this game amounts to anymore, it's literally become WoW in terms of how players act, how players run, etc.

People just need to relax, it's just a game, you don't have to be the BIS for everything, raid for fun over gear. (yes gear is important but not worth getting angry over)

You said it yourself, back in days, it changed by now. And also because of time, i don't sit in a pf like you say, because, no, i don't have the time for it. I do PF if it fill great, if not, i give up.
And time difference between country doesn't help either. Why would people bother with horrible PUGs if we could do otherwise. We're no masochist lol

Its 7 people and I don't mean you specifically but people in general.

I know there's a time difference between countries that's why there are data centers that are closer to said countries time.

The point about WoW was if people can still manage to get 24 people for their raids every week in a guild, they don't have an LS system either, then there shouldn't be much of a problem finding 7 other people for a raid once a week. My FC has people in the EU, Asia, U.S, Canada and they all manage to find time to raid, maybe not a full static but generally the main group find a way to work it out.

[LyraKuroneko]

Why can't they? I mean if you have time to sit in a PF then you have time to make an LS specifically for raiding, grab a few people from the FC if you're in one, set up weekly schedules of when you can raid and you're good.

If people could do 40 man content back in the days in WoW with a full guild then there's no reason in this game you can't get 8 people from an LS or FC.

You said it yourself, back in days, it changed by now. And also because of time, i don't sit in a pf like you say, because, no, i don't have the time for it. I do PF if it fill great, if not, i give up.
And time difference between country doesn't help either. Why would people bother with horrible PUGs if we could do otherwise. We're no masochist lol

[Nerisu]

Why do people still insist on doing EX/Savage content with random groups instead of statics and FC's or an LS made for these specific things?

Because there are people with rotating work schedules and cannot commit to a specific time to do content with 7 others.

[HyoMinPark]

Why do people still insist on doing EX/Savage content with random groups instead of statics and FC's or an LS made for these specific things?

I have a static, but mine isn’t really that interested in farming ShinEx for the dog or weapons for alt jobs; a lot of them also work and/or go to school, hence why we only raid 3 hours a day, 2 days a week, cannot really set up extra days, and our raid times are quite late to give everyone a chance to get home (10pm to 1am my time). I run an FC with one other active individual in it, though thankfully we both enjoy Savage/Extreme so we do them together a lot. I also have a lot of friends on my server that have little to no interest in Savage/Extreme, or who aren’t even playing the game right now, so I resort to doing it with PUGs. Yeah, a lot of the random groups are bad, but you get some good ones occasionally.

I, however, do not want this fight nerfed. Instead, I wish this game had a better difficulty curve in it to better prepare individuals for this harder content. Then they probably wouldn’t cry for nerfs every time they encountered something the least bit “difficult” or “punishing”.

[LyraKuroneko]

*snip*

You're right. It would help a lot to have this type of content, we can see that it is not working as it is now.

[akaneakki]

Just killed it with 7 people, why the nerf?

[LyraKuroneko]

The Date Center closer to my country as more lag than the one i'm in x) just to say, not an argument against what you said.
Might try again, who knows. But the rare time i tried to do statics they never did anything in the end. Might just been unlucky, but ended up relying on PUGs and they are bad for sure. At least for this fight it's getting ridiculous.

[Ghastly]

I vote for nerf but it's probably too late now since 4.2 is near now. One of the reasons 4.1 didn't feel like a complete package in my opinion is because shinryu ex wasn't something most of the community could strive for in a reasonable amount of time. Patch 3.1 is known as one of the worst patches ever and they repeated the same mistake by making Shinryu Ex like Thordan Ex, in my opinion. Didn't the raiders get ultimate bahamut?

To me the best times of FFXIV were when a lot of the community was actually interested in the time required to clear/farm these Extreme primals like sophia, susano, lakshmi. Everytime they add the Thordan and Zurvan like primals it really ruins what could be a fun time for most of the community. Raiders are still running omega and savage, that should be enough specially considering the ilevel on shinryu ex weapons is something raiders don't even want/need. If we study each patch one by one, you'd come to realize that the best ones had the "easier" extreme primals.
It gets your FCs involved, your linkshells, it's really the best time.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I vote for nerf but it's probably too late now since 4.2 is near now. One of the reasons 4.1 didn't feel like a complete package in my opinion is because shinryu ex wasn't something most of the community could strive for in a reasonable amount of time. Patch 3.1 is known as one of the worst patches ever and they repeated the same mistake by making Shinryu Ex like Thordan Ex, in my opinion. Didn't the raiders get ultimate bahamut?

To me the best times of FFXIV were when a lot of the community was actually interested in the time required to clear/farm these Extreme primals like sophia, susano, lakshmi. Everytime they add the Thordan and Zurvan like primals it really ruins what could be a fun time for most of the community. Raiders are still running omega and savage, that should be enough specially considering the ilevel on shinryu ex weapons is something raiders don't even want/need. If we study each patch one by one, you'd come to realize that the best ones had the "easier" extreme primals.
It gets your FCs involved, your linkshells, it's really the best time.

Shinryu wishes he was at Thordan's level. He's more comparable to Nidhogg and simply demands players pay attention. But yes, lets make him deadbrain simple like Susano who was being rolled over day one. Zurvan, likewise, has no business being compared to Thordan. He was a complete pushover if you actually knew how to play your job. Unfortunately, he exposed just how many people can't perform a basic opener. Frankly, Soar isn't even a difficult mechanic, people just wanted to brute force it. As for Ultimate, it's intended for the extremely hardcore crowd hence the paltry .02% clear rate. This is a fight that demands 95% perfection over an almost twenty minute duration. Even good raiders simply don't want to dedicate the sheer amount of prog hours necessary.

The best weren't the "easier" ones. People were already complaining how boring endgame was before Omega dropped because Susano and Lakshmi rolled over. How about your (generalizing) FC pay attention to mechanics? Shinryu isn't an overly difficult fight. He simply won't let you stand around wailing on him while he tickles you.