Monk suggestions

[MauvaisOeil]

I'm extremely curious where/when he said this, and was it for Monk particularly or all jobs?
If you happen to have that interview I'd love to read it. Monk getting new animations on the level of 4.0 MCH would make me so happy. Monk just LOOKS so boring.

That's a pov I guess, some of the basic animations are to me, the most simple and interesting. Sure MCH 4.0 looks spinning and fluffy, but the shots really don't feel special, and animations that are too long end up really clipped all the way : Forbidden chakra or tornado kick as an example are so long you don't even see them entirely when weaved between weaponskills.

[SpeckledBurd]

I'm extremely curious where/when he said this, and was it for Monk particularly or all jobs?
If you happen to have that interview I'd love to read it. Monk getting new animations on the level of 4.0 MCH would make me so happy. Monk just LOOKS so boring.

Monk and Machinist were specifically mentioned if I recall correctly, that said I'm having a hard time finding it. Finding older Stormblood preview articles is hard because everything gets drowned out by the hands on event they had in late may. If I can't find it and I totally just imagined it, then I'll rescind the claim that SE promised new Monk animations.

However, when you look at many of the jobs that didn't see any changes to their rotations, such as Machinist, Bard, and Summoner, they all at least had new animations added via traits whereas Monk...didn't.

[Shurrikhan]

I'm extremely curious where/when he said this, and was it for Monk particularly or all jobs?
If you happen to have that interview I'd love to read it. Monk getting new animations on the level of 4.0 MCH would make me so happy. Monk just LOOKS so boring.

That's a pov I guess, some of the basic animations are to me, the most simple and interesting. Sure MCH 4.0 looks spinning and fluffy, but the shots really don't feel special, and animations that are too long end up really clipped all the way : Forbidden chakra or tornado kick as an example are so long you don't even see them entirely when weaved between weaponskills.

I have to agree with Mauvais here. The 4.0 Machinist animations, for instance, are to me an outright eyesore. In short, they just make zero sense. If a MCH can summon turrets on demand to cheer-lead or cover-fire for his shots... why isn't he using them consistently? What could it possibly have to do with weapon heat, of all things?

To me, the core issues with the MNK animations are the same as virtually all melee -- the gliding. Second to that is that the initial animations aren't actually practical enough, imo. No Pugilist would ever choose to leave himself so open. If anything, the bigger animations we have now feel like a pretty decent implementation of version 2 animations, where the Monk becomes distinct from the Pugilist, and whereby enhanced strength and speed make new styles effective where they would have otherwise looked ridiculous.

If you want to see them looking flashy and energized, that would probably require more from our Fists abilities than any of the individual animations, allowing conditional overlying animations atop the base forms.

[Silver-Strider]

Random thought.

What if every application of GL reduced the CD on Perfect Balance by a few seconds, similar to SCH and Aetherflow?

[Sora_Oathkeeper]

Random thought.

What if every application of GL reduced the CD on Perfect Balance by a few seconds, similar to SCH and Aetherflow?

Would be better than tackle mastery at least

[wereotter]

Would be better than tackle mastery at least

That's a low bar to clear.

[Sora_Oathkeeper]

That's a low bar to clear.

At this point anything is better than tackle mastery. Almost every other job that got a trait to buff existing skills got a new animation to go along with it. Monk? Nah you can have the same crap animation and just have 30 potency added on. They could have easily just have added 30 potency like they do with generic buffs to jobs instead of wasting a whole trait on something that is so useless. Like c'mon SE at least make fire tackle have a damn blazing inferno vortex around it? At least make it look cool even if it's crap! Monk already has some 'meh' animations. And our best animations get cut short because of the GCD lol. At least Elixir field is still cool... Dreaming of the day Monk is fun like ARR and HW and not an RNGfest and uninteresting new 'skills'.

[Shurrikhan]

Random thought.

What if every application of GL reduced the CD on Perfect Balance by a few seconds, similar to SCH and Aetherflow?

While this strikes some as more complexifying or synergetic, the only effect it has other than punishing true downtime is to make it slightly less viable to use fewer Coeurls within the PB window itself.

If balanced around base SS, it would at least give higher SS amounts some tiny bonus to scaling, but it would still refresh at a higher count of globals consumed than for low SS builds (e.g. scale incompletely) due to the base CD cost, which does not scale. Just like the unscaled Steel Peak, Shoulder Tackle, Elixir Field CDs, it wouldn't sync up any better as a result.

[Silver-Strider]

Snip

Considering PB currently has a 3 minute long CD, it really isn't any more punishing then it currently is so I'm not really seeing how that's much of an argument. Realistically, PB is used almost entirely as a back up in case we end up losing GL, not on consistent CD like the rest of our oGCDs, so I'm not really sure why it would need to sync up with anything at all unless you planned to build around Tornado Kick every time it became available for use, which is just asking for trouble.

[Shurrikhan]

Considering PB currently has a 3 minute long CD, it really isn't any more punishing then it currently is so I'm not really seeing how that's much of an argument. Realistically, PB is used almost entirely as a back up in case we end up losing GL, not on consistent CD like the rest of our oGCDs, so I'm not really sure why it would need to sync up with anything at all unless you planned to build around Tornado Kick every time it became available for use, which is just asking for trouble.

I never said it would be more punishing than it is now. I was weighing it against the obvious alternatives.

I'm saying said that it would have to be balanced around constant uptime because so many fights provide it, and, being also defendant on constant uptime, would then penalize downtime.

Let's say you have two options" You can have:

(1) a 3 minute CD where every Coeurl skill reduces that CD by an amount equal to your GCD, averaging out to roughly one minute skipped per that CD or an effectively 2-minute refresh rate, or
(2) you could just have a 2-minute refresh rate, baseline.

The difference is simply that the latter still sees that buff even when you're not attacking, be it between pulls or when forced out of melee range. Option (1) cannot exceed Option (2) in maximum strength, because many fights do allow for 100% uptime, but Option (2) can outperform Option (1) in any of the fights where that is not the case, and can feel like a QoL boon during leveling or dungeons.

Simpler can often be better. Complexity where no actually additional control is offered, is not added difficulty or means for skill-gap; it's simply the opposite of convenience, and (however slightly) diminishes other areas of control.

tl;dr: We'd be better off just shaving that bonus off the actual CD, rather than via some combat-dependent mechanic.