Built-in Parsers

[Zafire063]

I can understand not wanting a parser. The reasons have already been stated.

I would like to see something that tells the party that you're doing significantly less than you should be for the item level you're at. It doesn't even have to be strict, just something that will flag people who obviously aren't interested in trying.

[Taika]

I can understand not wanting a parser. The reasons have already been stated.

I get not wanting to use a parser. But I don't think there has been a sensible reason stated for why they shouldn't be allowed as an optional feature. Why deny them from those who want to use them in their premade groups consisting of people who have joined knowing the runs will be parsed?

I would like to see something that tells the party that you're doing significantly less than you should be for the item level you're at. It doesn't even have to be strict, just something that will flag people who obviously aren't interested in trying.

I really don't get how it would be in any way better to have someone simply flagged as awful instead of having the objective numerical context to measure all group members' performance. The first one will just make a person feel bad, the second option explains what's wrong in their performance so they're able to fix it.

[Zafire063]

I get not wanting to use a parser. But I don't think there has been a sensible reason stated for why they shouldn't be allowed as an optional feature. Why deny them from those who want to use them in their premade groups consisting of people who have joined knowing the runs will be parsed?


I really don't get how it would be in any way better to have someone simply flagged as awful instead of having the objective numerical context to measure all group members' performance.

How many MMO's have you played? I've only played four, and two of them had easy-to-obtain parsers. "Do this much DPS or we're kicking you" "You're doing 3% less than what you should be, we're kicking you" etcetc. It happens A LOT in those games. The reason why is because there is a numerical value. Parser's are definitely a great tool, but certain people don't deserve to have a tool like that.

[Taika]

How many MMO's have you played? I've only played four, and two of them had easy-to-obtain parsers. "Do this much DPS or we're kicking you" "You're doing 3% less than what you should be, we're kicking you" etcetc. It happens A LOT in those games. The reason why is because there is a numerical value. Parser's are definitely a great tool, but certain people don't deserve to have a tool like that.

I've played mainly this one (endgame focused), but this one's been heavily parsed for the whole time, and all my groups have been parsed (both statics and pugs). I have not witnessed the behaviour you're describing. Earlier in this thread I checked there are well over 110 000 individual parses published for OS1 - that should tell you something about how commonly all party finder content is already parsed this moment. There's no reason to assume having an official parser would change the behaviour of the people who are already parsing this content. And, once again, treating people badly would still not be any more allowed than it is now.

Edit: To add, I think parties are and should be allowed to set their own entry requirements (talking about PF content here, not random groups). If the party leader wants to set "5k DPS or kick" or "1 mistake and kick" groups, they're very much allowed to do so. I won't join those parties, and everyone else has that exact same right, official parser or not (and as you know there already are groups like that, even without an official parser). People who wish to play more casually and set more reasonable expectations are free to do just that as well. And even if an official parser would be added, it should be an optional feature, available for those parties that wish to use it and not forced on those who don't.

[HyoMinPark]

How many MMO's have you played? I've only played four, and two of them had easy-to-obtain parsers. "Do this much DPS or we're kicking you" "You're doing 3% less than what you should be, we're kicking you" etcetc. It happens A LOT in those games. The reason why is because there is a numerical value. Parser's are definitely a great tool, but certain people don't deserve to have a tool like that.

This is all anecdotal; not quantitative evidence. And whether or not it occurs in other games does not necessarily mean that it will or will not occur in this game if a built-in parser were to be implemented in high-end content where parser use actually matters (there's very little reason to have parsers in dungeons or even 24-mans because the content is relatively easy, and usually does not have the same types of DPS checks or rDPS requirements that Savage or Ex content does). If these were restrictions set in place in a PF group by the PF leader, they have the right to set whatever restrictions they want in their party. That's why PF has all those fancy options when you create one. In DF, any clear cut cases of harassment will be properly dealt with if reported. That isn't going to change just because a parser is a publicly condoned/built-in feature.

You're right in saying that some people do not need such a tool at their disposal, because they are only going to use it negatively and paint those that use the tool for "good" in that same negative light; people usually tend to pay more attention to the bad, and use it to generalize concepts as a whole. One person was a jerk and used a parser to do it? Now suddenly everyone who parses is also a jerk--because one guy was. But you blame that person for being a jerk; you don't blame the tool, nor do you generalize others who use said tool. It's not the parser's fault someone was being a twat. They would probably be a twat without a parser anyways. Because that's sadly how people are. But again, you blame the person, not the tool. (Note that I use the general "you" in the latter portion of this paragraph; it's not meant to imply you, specifically.)

[akaneakki]

How many MMO's have you played?

Fights in many MMO has a DPS check while handling mechics. You either have
A: A DPS who fail mechanics or B; A dps whol fail to do enough damage or worse one failing both. If a person is doing 3% less than the rest which is doable in many fights in the mmo's ive played, they never got kicked. Honestly we talking drastic 20-30% less than people, hell some people do less than tanks.
I like how someone said they played FFXI and had a lot of toxic people with parsers, yet I was on ps2 and did the hardest fights in the game. I played BnS and Gw2 as well, no toxic people with parsers there that I have witness. Honestly 3% is easily doable in many fights and you have to kinda prove yourself there people get kicked for lets say doing 200-300 dps less than the other dps in most farm groups or statics. This shit happens a lot and nobody is getting kicked. If a person is doing 700-1k less than the third dps or second, they are bad.