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    Player RiyahArp's Avatar
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    Riyah Arpeggio
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    Exodus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hruodig View Post
    You find these things in any extracurricular activity that involves teamwork in order to achieve a goal. Believe it or not, working with a like-minded group of people towards a common goal is an incredibly gratifying and rewarding experience. While they do share commonalities with a "job", you're making the mistake of seeing that as what defines a job or not. I can guarantee you that neither I nor any of my static members see raiding as a job. Why is that?

    1. We don't get paid to do it.
    2. We enjoy it.
    3. We all agreed to do things this way as a collective group. No one is being forced to do anything they don't want to do.
    A volunteer job is as much a job as anything else. And increasingly team activities that require that kind of teamwork are professionalized; it's a huge issue with things like little league or high school sports for example.

    There's also no "punishments", and the idea that you think that there's disciplinary actions going on in your average midcore raiding static is incredibly strange and betraying of your ignorance. The vast majority of statics are made up of a group of friends who want to accomplish a goal together. Do you "punish" your friends when they keep dying in a game? No? Of course not, that's weird as hell (unless you're into kink).

    The expectation to "not work for others" is mainly due to the way this game does weekly lock outs, wherein if you "work" for another group, then you're actively sabotaging your own group. If this restriction wasn't in place then it wouldn't be nearly as big of a deal as it is.

    Tl;dr you're trying to push a weird narrative that doesn't have basis in general reality. Do groups like you describe exist? Of course, the possible permutations of human beings out there is infinite. However that's absolutely not the norm.
    oh, come on. Let's say one member of your static is holding you back. You're at a wall because of this guy. Maybe his dps is too low, or he keeps messing up. Or he shows up late. What are you going to do?

    You're first going to try to mentor him, i.e. find out what's going wrong, and work on some kind of plan to fix it.

    OK, he does this, but he's not hitting the dummy or not changing his timing to show up on time. So you're going to at some point have to escalate it in ways eerily similar to managing at a job. Not entirely, but if he shows up late, you do the static without him. If you see he isn't trying to up his DPS, you warn him verbally. Pretty much tell him shape up or ship out, but in much gentler terms. Again you're trying to work with the guy if possible, but you can't stay at a wall because of this one guy because there's seven of you and one of him.

    Worst case, he can't do it or won't do it.

    If he can't do it, he quits and you find someone else. No hard feelings. If he won't, you pretty much fire him. It's the same thing as being dropped from a sports team. Otherwise in this game the team breaks up if you don't.

    I mean..midcore doesn't change this. If you're sinking any decent time into raiding you want to clear, and midcore statics shed people as much as hardcore.
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    Last edited by RiyahArp; 11-04-2017 at 11:47 PM.

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    Hruodig's Avatar
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    Hruodig Hruodiger
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    A volunteer job is as much a job as anything else.
    It does drastically alter your mindset however. It changes from "I have to do this to get paid so I can feed my kids/pay bills/not be homeless", to "this is something that I want to do with my free time"

    You do see the difference?
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