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[RiyahArp]

No, however I would be pretty annoyed if we previously made plans to go out to dinner or something and you abruptly call me up and say, "Sorry. I can't come because I just got a new game I wanna play." I set aside my schedule for you and you flacked. How is scheduling raid time any different? We all have lives, thus it only makes sense to pick a time where we can all be readily available. So once again, stop telling actual raiders what raiding is to them.

Because there's the whole "we need to get this task done" element that shows up in raiding. it's not like you are playing 4-player Goldeneye or Halo over pizza. You're trying to solve or achieve something, and the person not showing up is hampering that shared goal. It's important they show up for reasons more important than them just being there.

I'm a pretty harsh critic of raid culture in MMOs in general I guess. I don't like how games are mirroring the real world in nasty ways.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I'm a pretty harsh critic of raid culture in MMOs in general I guess. I don't like how games are mirroring the real world in nasty ways.

Art imitates life. And that's meant to be taken neutrally.

[RiyahArp]

Art imitates life. And that's meant to be taken neutrally.

It's more people don't stop being people, I guess. They bring the same flaws that make the real world so bad into virtual worlds, and we get the same problems.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

It's more people don't stop being people, I guess. They bring the same flaws that make the real world so bad into virtual worlds, and we get the same problems.

While that's true, they bring and expect good things too, but that's entirely me being a bleeding heart optimist.

[Hruodig]

It's more people don't stop being people, I guess. They bring the same flaws that make the real world so bad into virtual worlds, and we get the same problems.

Not only is this a very pessimistic view of the world, but it's also naive to think that humans would just...stop being humans? For better and for worse.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Because there's the whole "we need to get this task done" element that shows up in raiding. it's not like you are playing 4-player Goldeneye or Halo over pizza. You're trying to solve or achieve something, and the person not showing up is hampering that shared goal. It's important they show up for reasons more important than them just being there.

I'm a pretty harsh critic of raid culture in MMOs in general I guess. I don't like how games are mirroring the real world in nasty ways.

That doesn't change the fact plans were made and abruptly cancelled. My cousin used to flake on me occasionally when we agreed to meet up and play games. After a while, I just stopped bothering with him. Yes, it was just silly Halo matches but I don't like people who consistently flake no matter what the activity may be. Per your example below, replacing someone who can't handle raiding doesn't equate to making it a job. The difference between the two is people typically don't want to work a 9-5 job. They do it to have an income. Your average static is purely hobby driven. Even the hardcore players who raid for hours on end do so because they enjoy it. You don't, which is fine, but you're basically telling us how we should feel about something we do while you don't.

[NintenPyjak64]

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Holy crap this reminds me of a guy from a static I was in in ARR...

He had some days where he would work late, so we agreed to push back our start time for him and we let him know, to which he responded "OK" or something like that. Several of those times when he logged in after all of us waited a few hours after our usual start time, he declined the party invites and said "Na I'm going to go do this other stuff with these other guys." RL ended up getting into an argument with him and he was kicked from the static

Since then I've been harsh on flakey people. Just recently I had to kick a person from my static. They should show up late to raid often holding us up. Once he said he'll be "a little late" only for us to give up 40 minutes later and pugged the last spot. Surprise Surprise that guy never logged in that night. We replaced him with that pug BLM, and several times have tried to contact the original guy, to no avail, they would not respond or see the messages despite being online and not having the AFK flag up. Tuesday rolls around, we enter O1S and the guy's wondering wtf we're doing. In between instances I talk to him, tell him what's up and he's chewing me out, clearly saying his time is more valuable then ours.

Always a bloody mess dealing with flakey people, it always ends badly and there's never a good way to handle it without them stepping down themselves