Built-in Parsers

[HyoMinPark]

did anyone in the group notify people that standing in said spot can kill people? no? group fault.

Are you serious? If we are talking about anything other than a 100% blind run—talking about something where people are doing weekly clears for loot/chests—then every member should know the mechanics. So those with Unstable Gravity for V2S should know to 1. Levitate, and 2. Move to their assigned spot after Antilight goes off so they are knocked back away from the rest of the group. And trust me, after one wipe in a learning/clear party to Unstable Gravity, people very much so make it known what was done wrong. If it’s done wrong again, that is blatant ignoring of the mechanic on the behalf of the person who killed half of the raid. And the more they continue to not correct it, the more at fault they become.

you guys are missing a lot of details in your explains such as planning before hand, run/strat explination, leadership. Which is part of doing endgame content. If people fail at doing this stuff they are part of the fault for the mistakes of others.

Most statics read/watch guides on mechanics unless they are doing 100% blind runs. And most give explanations after each failed mechanic so that they don’t fail it again. If we are talking about farm groups in PF, then people joining farm parties should have knowledge of all mechanics in a fight so that they don’t wipe the entire group.

And sometimes a person knows and just fails to pay attention, or moves too soon and screws over the entire group. They are still the one at fault, even if they admit it or don’t admit it. This isn’t finger pointing—it’s taking responsibility for one’s actions. You keep telling us to “grow up”, well, that is being a grown-up: taking responsibility when you are the one at fault rather than forcing the other 7 players to share it. Because it’s not their fault you moved too early and got clipped, or failed to pay attention to the marker over your head and dropped the bad on the rest of the party.

how are people missing this part.

We aren’t missing anything. How are you missing everything we’re saying against your “arguments”? Other than by blatantly ignoring them?

3 ppl cherry picking posts is really nothing. nor proof i "don't know what im talking about" I did endgame in ff11 for 4 years before this type of toxic environment with parser/third party tools killed it.

Do I need to define “cherry picking” for you as well? Providing the examples you so demanded is not “cherry picking.” Some people have replied to your posts in full—the exact opposite of cherry picking. Just because some choose to not repeat themselves when you repeat yourself doesn’t mean that they are cherry picking, or if someone else has already addressed the flaw.

Also, this is not FFXI. They tried to make FFXIV like FFXI, and look what happened to it. Stop using your experience in other MMOs to try and give yourself experience in this one. That’s like applying for a job at a hospital and saying, “Well, I’ve never worked in a hospital, but I did work in a veterinary clinic, so I’m experienced in working in a hospital.” Not the same thing.

I very much know what im talking about, you guys are looking at semantics while leaving out details. Each member has a job to do, a role to play. A leader still needs to be a leader and communicate. And take responsibility, if a run fails. The leader is suppose to organize, communicate, discuss the plan of attack. If the runs plan goes south, everyone is at fault.

A group is a unit, not separate pieces. Pointing fingers is childish. Even if you didn't kill the group, you just are much responsible for not doing your part in the communication for the run. you was a member of that group, you are part of that group, and should take responsibility. Pointing fingers isn't being a good team member.

Do you? Because I really don’t think that you do. You’re trying to blame the party for the tank not mitigating tankbusters, or for one member failing a mechanic that takes out half the group, like V2S’ Unstable Gravity. That is not the fault of the other 7 individuals, but the fault of the player that screwed up the mechanic. And they need to take responsibility for their mistakes. That is part of being in a group, rather than expecting everyone to just hold their hand and “be okay with it” when they continue to make the same mistake, especially after it’s pointed out to them; because, since you are so knowledgable, you should know PF groups on NA data centers are extremely good at pointing out failed mechanics and mistakes.

And if we’re talking about something like a farm party, why is it the leader’s responsibility to hold a player’s hand if they keep messing up mechanics in a FARM PARTY WHERE THEY SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THE MECHANICS? The inexperienced person has no business in a farm party if they don’t know the mechanics; they are the only one at fault for failing the mechanics and wiping the group. Because they have no business being in there, and it’s not the job of PUGs to hold the hand of one PUG that refuses to learn.

If a person doesn’t know a mechanic, then they should speak up, and people will usually explain it to them. If they don’t speak up, again, that is their fault. They didn’t know, didn’t seek any help, and when it wipes the group, there is no one to blame but that one individual for failing to clarify something they were unsure on.

Sigh. Answer me this. Does your static have the following things?

-an attendance policy
-punishments for poor performance, including discipline and even dismissal if the person doesn't change or meet standards
-various requirements to get hired, including aninterview process and background check
-an expectation you don't work for others, i.e. run the raid or get clears with other people

Surprise! Games generally don't have these things, unless the game itself is work (i.e. professional sports)

It's even worse in other games, where you literally get pay, i.e. dkp and gold, and seniority (people longer in the group get priority on drops). But if you've raided for a bit and are thoughtful, the parallels are there. And a lot of the skills you need to run a successful static are simple management skills you use in business daily. It has nothing to do with enjoyment or not.

What. Just...what.

Just because statics expect their members to actually show up when they’ve set aside time for them to all get together and run the content, pull their weight, and not be flaky and/or screw up loot by clearing with randoms or other people does not directly equate “raiding” to “working” like one would at a job, nor does it make this game “less of a game”. This is the most bizarre statement I’ve seen in this thread, and I have seen plenty.

If you don’t like to raid, then don’t. Nobody forces anyone to raid, or participate in content they don’t want to do.