Built-in Parsers

[HyoMinPark]

you do know name/shame is against the forum rules ya?

I don't have ex mount cuz I don't farm them enough for 99 totems, nor get lucky on mount drops. doesn't mean I don't run them

That’s not name/shaming. That’s posing your Lodestone profile after you claim you do this content you are so headstrong to argue with us over, but you don’t actually do it. Which, you also admitted you didn’t do Alexander Savage, and you haven’t done any Omega Savage, so we don’t need to Lodestone check for that.

[Nezia]

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If you think that someone messing up a mechanic and killing 7 out of 8 party members did not cause a wipe, then well... there is no point in talking to you.

A number with a very small "margin of error" is better than no number at all.

And I never stated that playing 30 mmos in 10 years is hard. I can play 30 games a day actually, it's just that I won't have an even decent experience in any of them and my opnion about them will not be worth shit.

Also, can you point out the name shaming? I used logic to prove that you lied and told you that you lied, and that's it.

[akaneakki]

Look, any type of raiding at some point is work

No it's not. Why do you think raiding is work when you clearly want to do content or things that needs a group to clear with? Ofc it's going to be set schelude. You are literally saying we shouldn't just to make it less ''work''. Whats the difference between my friend working from 7 to 3 and me 8 to 4 and we plan playing a game together around 6 or 7? Or is that work too? And lets go back to the topic of parser.

https://clips.twitch.tv/SoftSarcasticBaboonTinyFace
Look at this. This is work? People having fun? You really need to stop making assumptions.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Look, any type of raiding at some point is work, because it boils down to showing up at a predetermined time, being ready for your job by a lot of practice or research, and then doing a single fifteen minute instance over and over dozens of times to clear it, then dozens more to farm it. It is not something you do for fun because the fun is generally leeched out of it after the tenth wipe

I am going to stop you here and say once again, stop making assumption. You are not me nor do you know how I enjoy my experiences in-game. To me, wiping fifty times on Neo over the space of weeks is infinitely more entertaining than running the same piss easy dungeon everyday. I can tell you right now if I wasn't still leveling jobs, I wouldn't even look at Leveling Roulette except when I need extra materia. Why? I find it awful, especially if I get stuck with low level dungeons. With that in mind, I also don't begrudge people who find that aspect of the game enjoyable. So kindly, don't tell me how I have fun.

Now on the subject of parses, it's already been suggested they could be restricted to pre-made parties only. Therefore, it wouldn't interfere with the casual playerbase whatsoever.

[RiyahArp]

No it's not. Why do you think raiding is work when you clearly want to do content or things that needs a group to clear with?

Will you be angry at your friend when he can't make it, and stop playing video games with him entirely, telling him to go play by himself if he doesn't show up a few days? because that's what people do with statics if someone misses it. If your friend says one night, "Sorry I want to play solo, or play this new game with another friend," are you going to kick him from your friends list? if your friend sucks at video games, do you ditch him and get a new friend that's better at them?

This is what you do in raiding.

Look, raiding isn't bad in the same way jobs aren't bad, and I'm not sayin noone finds fun in them. People love their jobs too, and find meaning in them. It's just...well a job, and people don't want that mindset to spread in the stuff that you can still do for fun alone.

[Hruodig]

Look, any type of raiding at some point is work, because it boils down to showing up at a predetermined time, being ready for your job by a lot of practice or research, and then doing a single fifteen minute instance over and over dozens of times to clear it, then dozens more to farm it. It is not something you do for fun because the fun is generally leeched out of it after the tenth wipe. You succeed by going past that and treating it professionally, in the same way you treat a job or a sport professionally. If you base it solely on it being fun, that's when people suddenly up and leave one day. To spend time practicing your rotation is work, too; it's not fun to be in front of a training dummy repeating the same old motions till they are ingrained.

No matter if you raid 3 hours a week or 30, at some point if you are even the slightest bit serious about clearing, it becomes work to you in terms of your mindset. It's actually scary at times, because it winds up being so much like work that you even have "company" events to blow off steam, like drunk runs or gag runs. And people talk about raiding like it was money...we have welfare gear and there are people who don't deserve things, as if you "deserved" to have a token in Monopoly or to win at tag.

The fact that people here want parsers is a subset of the idea of game as work. It is necessary for raid play, I won't argue that. Because raid play ultimately is this game as work. People worry though when parsers are legitimized because the people who raid seem to want sometimes the entire game to be similar work. But a lot of people dislike the whole raid culture in general, because it's become a job-substitute for people. You already have hard times convincing new people to work for you in your statics, can you imagine if it spread to all parts of the game?

This is one of the most bizzare appraisals of the raiding scene I've ever seen. "I don't enjoy it, therefore it's work and it's weird"

[BigRed5392]

I mean, let's take this nonsense to its logical extreme. By your statement, I could straight up not heal you on White Mage and you still share in the blame for your inevitable death. That makes absolutely no sense.

Yes i do share the blame as I didn't call you on it, nor made any effort to kick you.

I hope you see where I was going with my statements now.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Raiding can be work sometimes, I can't deny that. But it should never feel like work, even if you're raiding seriously. I actually love that my group raids "seriously", but we're not hardcore about it. Our best O3S run ever, last night, was full of mistakes everyone was already admitting before the first spellblade (and yet it was the smoothest that ever went for all of us, lol).

We parse (well they parse, I'm a "disadvantaged" console plebian, lol), and while it's been helpful in improving, no one holds it over anyone's head, and we just laugh when things go wrong (as they so often do. Our team name is "We Are Not Okay", and we live up to it), especially since we come together and get the clears anyways, which is what really matters in the end. I say that if only to illustrate that parsers aren't The Root of All Evil and it's entirely possible to be on a progression raid team that isn't too serious or ready to brand you a heretic and villain if you aren't the absolute best ever.

[RiyahArp]

"I don't enjoy it, therefore it's work and it's weird"

Sigh. Answer me this. Does your static have the following things?

-an attendance policy
-punishments for poor performance, including discipline and even dismissal if the person doesn't change or meet standards
-various requirements to get hired, including aninterview process and background check
-an expectation you don't work for others, i.e. run the raid or get clears with other people

Surprise! Games generally don't have these things, unless the game itself is work (i.e. professional sports)

It's even worse in other games, where you literally get pay, i.e. dkp and gold, and seniority (people longer in the group get priority on drops). But if you've raided for a bit and are thoughtful, the parallels are there. And a lot of the skills you need to run a successful static are simple management skills you use in business daily. It has nothing to do with enjoyment or not.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Will you be angry at your friend when he can't make it, and stop playing video games with him entirely, telling him to go play by himself if he doesn't show up a few days? because that's what people do with statics if someone misses it. If your friend says one night, "Sorry I want to play solo, or play this new game with another friend," are you going to kick him from your friends list? if your friend sucks at video games, do you ditch him and get a new friend that's better at them?

No, however I would be pretty annoyed if we previously made plans to go out to dinner or something and you abruptly call me up and say, "Sorry. I can't come because I just got a new game I wanna play." I set aside my schedule for you and you flacked. How is scheduling raid time any different? We all have lives, thus it only makes sense to pick a time where we can all be readily available. So once again, stop telling actual raiders what raiding is to them.