Built-in Parsers

[Kacho_Nacho]

The ironic part is you talk like you agree with him on EVERYTHING yet I've seen you disagree with some of his other statements on other topics. Many disagree with what he thinks about parser? I do so, he believe it's gonna break community down. FF14 community isn't all white knight as people claim it to be ya know. Plus a parser harrasment will be harrasment. Also this is also why people blindly get kicked these days, who's that to blame? The party leader? Hell no, it's the players fault for slacking in the first place. This is where the anti parser people comes in and say: Oh hey YOU HAVE TO carry them. No we don't :>

Not sure why you think we anti-parsers are saying you have to carry slackers. We aren't.

Also, we all understand the FFXIV community isn't a bunch of saints. It's a case where people cannot agree if the benefits of having a parser outweigh the negative impact of having them on the game as a whole.

[MoroMurasaki]

Not sure why you think we anti-parsers are saying you have to carry slackers. We aren't.

Also, we all understand the FFXIV community isn't a bunch of saints. It's a case where people cannot agree if the benefits of having a parser outweigh the negative impact of having them on the game as a whole.

I feel like this (the carrying comment) is being implied by some people on the anti-parser side of things though. Specifically the idea that if a group fails something it is by default the entire group's fault.

There are certainly many ways that one person can wipe almost any given raid, whether intentional or not, and this mentality that just because I've been grouped up with someone who doesn't know/care/care to learn enough to clear a specific piece of content means I am responsible for their shortcomings is where at least some of this tension is coming from.

Let me be clear, I have said multiple times in this forum and on the healer forums that I play healers primarily because of their ability to carry a poor group/player through most content. I pride myself on being able to salvage things that otherwise would have been a death or wipe. I am not looking for parsers in an effort to kick tons of players from my groups. It would certainly allow myself (or any reasonably experienced player) more insight into what's going on, specifically in a situation where things are going south quickly, to be able to better advise our teammates on how they can help us fix it.

Would the answer sometimes be to kick someone? I'm sure it would, but if that turns a disband into a clear for the rest of us I am okay with it.

I feel like this has gone from a discussion on parsers to one on the general health and kindness of the community, on that front I think we do pretty well for ourselves. Are there some assholes? Sure. Most people want to help though. Keeling parsers out of the game out of fear someone might use them to be rude makes no more sense than removing party chat because someone might be rude there. Yes, sure, they might... but doesn't it do vastly more good than harm?

[akaneakki]

I feel like this (the carrying comment) is being implied by some people on the anti-parser side of things though. Specifically the idea that if a group fails something it is by default the entire group's fault.

Yup this pretty much and also say it's fine to slack because ''it's just a game''. Look at my signature, the guy is asking why someone would wipe 10000 times over again and again when the purpose of a heavy PVE game wants you to CLEAR the stuff. Just because 1 dude finds it funny wiping all over again and again, doesn't mean its fun for everyone else. Do people honestly think it's fine to wipe an entire group over all the time, because 1 guy feel it's fine? It's not. You either play on the same level or nearly the same level or you simple aren't the person with the group.

[BigRed5392]

I feel like this (the carrying comment) is being implied by some people on the anti-parser side of things though. Specifically the idea that if a group fails something it is by default the entire group's fault.

it is that is how teamwork/group games work. It is a domino effect.

If someone makes a mistake, recover from it.

What ppl do is vindictive stuff, "oh you made a mistake im not healing you" so that is 1 less person dealing damage, which makes the mob slower to die causing the tank to take more damage. causing healers to over work. All healer had to do was cure the dead person before they died.

instead of letting hp stay low heal people up. Job is to heal so... heal.

everyone should take responsibility for a fight going south. as the point is to work as a team, not solo in a group.

teamwork in rpg/mmorpg is about covering each others weakness and promoting each other strengths. How come in this same game the JP do this, yet NA don't?

[SDaemon]

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Personal responsibility is a thing. Part of being on a team is owning up to your own mistakes and yes, in this game your mistakes can cause the entire group to fail with no hope of recovering the run.

[BigRed5392]

Personal responsibility is a thing. Part of being on a team is owning up to your own mistakes and yes, in this game your mistakes can cause the entire group to fail with no hope of recovering the run.

all mistakes are recoverable, no game content has a no win scenario. so yes everyone needs to own up.

like I stated JP players don;t kick 1 person after 3 wipes they vote abandon if no amount of discussion improves a run. no hate, no rude words. they don't sigle out 1 player, they ask what the group did wrong, and how the group can improve.

if 1 person was really sat fault, then the other 7 can do fine w/o them and clear the run after they died. but that is not the case. Each person makes a mistake, or delibralty does something to everyone else.

like a healer getting upset a person stood in an aoe dying.

[Deithwen]

all mistakes are recoverable, no game content has a no win scenario.

Are we playing the same game ? I can find so many examples where this statement is wrong, but I just feel you don't know what you're talking about.

[BigRed5392]

Are we playing the same game ? I can find so many examples where this statement is wrong, but I just feel you don't know what you're talking about.

no win scenario is when if you don't do something you can't progress. 1 mistake from 1 person doesn't cause a wipe. the whole group needs to make mistakes to cause a wipe.

did you not read the whole post? just asking because you pulled 1 line and using it to insult me rather looking at the post as a whole. This is the type of stuff I'm talking about the petty behavior over a difference in opinion.

[SDaemon]

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All mistakes recoverable? That isn't true at all. Mistakes can most certainly wipe the party without any means of recovering. You've already been given numerous examples. Also, your statement about if 1 person was at fault the other 7 would do fine without them makes equally less sense. Those other 7 players REQUIRE that 1 person to perform correctly in order to meet mechanical requirements. When those requirements are not met and are done incorrectly, then the other 7 in the group can be made to fail if the mechanics dictate such. Your example of a healer getting upset at someone standing in an AOE and letting them die is NOT the same situation as 1 individual messing up a mechanic that impacts the rest of the group to an unrecoverable situation.

[akaneakki]

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First of all. I have to correct A LOT of what you said. You clearly don't know what you talk about and you clearly have to stop talking about something you never experience, which will lead to people not taking you serious anymore. Japanese players have standars too. They go in together KNOWING they can do the fight. Most JP players would never ever go inside a fight with 7 others, knowing they:
1: lack dps, 2: can't do the mechanics.

To correct your other thing. As few people mentioned already about mechanics. How about you stop saying there is groups fault when 1 person screw up is entire groups fault? If 3 dps can chunk out 85-90% dps gameplay, and one is below 50% and it enrage it's that dps fault. So please, stop talk like you know about the fights when we all CLEARLY see you don't.

The problem with that is that NA/EU community has an invidualistic culture.
(and that for a good reason, we seen here enough negative posts)

Comes from a person who think it's fun to wipe 7 other people on purpose for over 1 hour and half. Whos toxic again? Read my signature and you know excactly what I talk about.