Built-in Parsers

[Bobs]

If skipping mechanics is the answer then there is something wrong with the fight to begin with.

In FF11 some of the really late game stuff (75 cap) less than 1% of the population could do because people used a Bard Rotation (which turns a 30min fight into a 30sec fight). There is nothing fun about winning a fight via a 30sec rotation.

If someone meets the requirements and are not dying to mechanics its quite unfair to judge them on not being able to skip stuff. Some things are out of peoples control. DPS is an RNG game in FF14 for the most part. The reason SAM pulls consistent numbers is because none of their abilities are locked out. Its why so many people play RDM and SAM, no RNG.

I'm not going to try to pull numbers out of thin air but I bet the only difference between a 3800 player and a 4400 player is RNG.

[MoroMurasaki]

If skipping mechanics is the answer then there is something wrong with the fight to begin with.

In FF11 some of the really late game stuff (75 cap) less than 1% of the population could do because people used a Bard Rotation (which turns a 30min fight into a 30sec fight). There is nothing fun about winning a fight via a 30sec rotation.

If someone meets the requirements and are not dying to mechanics its quite unfair to judge them on not being able to skip stuff. Some things are out of peoples control. DPS is an RNG game in FF14 for the most part. The reason SAM pulls consistent numbers is because none of their abilities are locked out. Its why so many people play RDM and SAM, no RNG.

I'm not going to try to pull numbers out of thin air but I bet the only difference between a 3800 player and a 4400 player is RNG.

How is it unfair to judge someone on not being able to skip a mechanic if the mechanic is a serious impediment to reliably clearing the fight? Seeing less mechanics means less mistakes which means less wipes, I don't know what is hard to understand about that.

I don't see how that FFXI bit plays into this at all. There is a big difference in between pushing DPS to skip the minute or so before enrage and cheesing a fight from 30 minutes to 30 seconds. That isn't what's being discussed here at all.

If a group wants to kick someone for DPS that doesn't meet their standards that is their right. If their standards are rooted in a logical desire to skip a problematic mechanic/combo (Soar anyone?) all the better.

This entitled mentality that every player is entitled to never get kicked without huge mistakes on their part baffles me. As someone mentioned a few pages ago you can get kicked for being a catboy, different playstyles makes it so every party is free to kick anyone for anything. Wouldn't it be better if instead of kicking them without a reason at least the person being kicked was told "Sorry, your DPS isn't going to get us through enrage/Soar/ whatever. Shoot for closer to 3k, thanks!" and then they could go to a dummy, parse themselves and figure out what is holding them back?

The irony here is that people are arguing against parsers on behalf of less experienced or generally poorer players when those players stand to benefit the most from the implimentation of a sanctioned, in-game parser. Elite players are parsing already but having a meter to compare your damage to in every fight would be a huge leg up for all PS4 players (myself included) and PC players who don't care enough to run ACT.

Everyone has different standards though and I don't think that would change if parses were made public.

This. So much of this.

All parsers are doing is making information more readily available to the playerbase as a whole. To say that that is bad because some people use it to be rude is like saying hunt linkshells are bad because some people use them to find hunts and early pull.

[Bobs]

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I think the real question here is why are you queueing in the Duty Finder. If your standards are so high then why don't you have a full static. You are setting yourself up for failure dude. I mention FF11 because we HAD a full static. Everyone knew what to do and there wasn't a problem.

"Oh a random guy queueing did not meet my standards" NO KIDDING!

[MoroMurasaki]

I think the real question here is why are you queueing in the Duty Finder. If your standards are so high then why don't you have a full static. You are setting yourself up for failure dude. I mention FF11 because we HAD a full static. Everyone knew what to do and there wasn't a problem.

"Oh a random guy queueing did not meet my standards" NO KIDDING!

I don't think my standards are very high at all honestly. Its funny how in this thread any person who is in favor of parsers is painted as some kind of psycho elitist. That is so, so not me.


Despite not finding myself in need of kicking tons of people (I hardly venture past extremes these days, irl things prohibit me from keeping to a raid schedule) I still defend groups and players who may feel the need to kick someone for poor DPS. As someone who believes in kicking a weaker player (hopefully with some advice on how they can improve) in the best interest of the group as a whole I almost have to be in favor of parsing - how else can you know if someone specific is holding you back?

I'm sorry, keeping a bunch of other people from clearing content for the sake of being nice to one person is stupid and rude to the other party members. Do I hope it is done tactfully and with as much courtesy as is possible? Of course, but sometimes it needs to happen.

I think the real question is why do you think it's okay to waste a bunch of player's time just to try to carry one underperformer?

[Bobs]

I think the real question is why do you think it's okay to waste a bunch of player's time just to try to carry one underperformer?

Once you start kicking people you are wasting just as much time. Kicking someone because of a number that he/she can't even see IS elitist, yes.

The long and short of it is; If you are queuing in the duty finder for "hard" content you should expect to wipe a few times. I mean seriously, I've been playing MMO since Everquest. I'm surprised how people in this game are surprised that random people kind of suck. Is this your first MMO? This isn't a new concept.

I mean really, look at other games MOBA, FPS, RTS. It's the same thing. Randos kind of suck. Just deal with it, its never going to change. Or do what people figured out a long time ago and create a static or group or guild or linkshell or company or whatever else you want to call and only play with just those people.

[BigRed5392]

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you can only speak for yourself not "a bunch of others" so ya... maybe want check what you are typing on being high maintenance/high standards.