Built-in Parsers

[Zarabeth]

They won't be putting a parser in the game as has been stated over and over. We're up to 10 pages of people arguing and attacking each other's opinion and no one has convinced anyone to switch to their way of thinking. Just stop and let this thread die.

[Bobs]

Not all DPS checks are “you cleared the content.” Take Shinryu Ex: every time the Heart spawns, you have to kill it. Otherwise, you’re dead. Mini-DPS check. The little dragon heads is a “healing” check—don’t heal them up? You’re dead. Not all DPS checks are just “clearing” the content.

My point is you could literally copy/paste this thread into any MMO forum and it would be the exact same argument.

[Dualgunner]

They won't be putting a parser in the game as has been stated over and over. We're up to 10 pages of people arguing and attacking each other's opinion and no one has convinced anyone to switch to their way of thinking. Just stop and let this thread die.

No. DDDDDD

[akaneakki]

And yes, your second example none would clear as none of them are meeting even the minimum DPS requirement. I can agree with you there, even though that is far from the situation I was arguing.

I know, but I'm saying there are MANY scenarios where this is the truth. Example, I was told in susano NOT to hit the sword as a tank, my job was to pick up the balls. I did but without me hitting the sword, it would kill us. And I'm well aware as my job as tank there. What I didn't like and I also find amusing is that the healer kept telling me to pick up the balls when I already did it plus doing 5 gcds on it. Littl did he know I was second dps as tank and we barely killed the sword. 2 months ago my static wanted to try ilvl 270 susano kill and we killed the sword. Isn't it a bit shame a group at current ilvl struggle?

[SDaemon]

I know, but I'm saying there are MANY scenarios where this is the truth. Example, I was told in susano NOT to hit the sword as a tank, my job was to pick up the balls. I did but without me hitting the sword, it would kill us. And I'm well aware as my job as tank there. What I didn't like and I also find amusing is that the healer kept telling me to pick up the balls when I already did it plus doing 5 gcds on it. Littl did he know I was second dps as tank and we barely killed the sword. 2 months ago my static wanted to try ilvl 270 susano kill and we killed the sword. Isn't it a bit shame a group at current ilvl struggle?

Yes, I can agree with you there. People should be doing at least enough to complete the encounter. And yes, I agree that is can be difficult to know exactly if you are without a parser, which is why I've always supported a personal parser.

People might argue well someone might be underperforming and not step out. True, which is why I've also been okay with having those parsers switch to group parsers in Savage/EX content.

I still strongly feel that open use of parsers can have a negative impact on the community with situations like I've been talking about where people outside of statics (even in them) focus too highly on DPS being high even if DPS isn't the cause of failure.

[akaneakki]

I still strongly feel that open use of parsers can have a negative impact on the community with situations like I've been talking about where people outside of statics (even in them) focus too highly on DPS being high even if DPS isn't the cause of failure.

I agree with you a little too. But toxic people will remain toxic. Also there are people who claims they have parsers and call people bad. It was this time my friend said a guy is low dps and then he said no, you are...ended up my friend saying the dps numbers and the guy said he lied about it and wanted to report him. You see, people without parsers (in my opinion) can be 2 times more toxic than anyone. Holding people hostage and force people to help them with a clear is toxic. Telling people they have a parser then lie about it just to try bann someone, toxic. Wiping people for hours on ''purpose'' is toxic too. I could keep going on about it. I get it and I know you still stand your ground. But honestly people will stay toxic much as they are now with or without a personal parser. It's stupid how a game like FF14 which is pve heavy doesn't have one in built.

[Hitsuzen]

No, I agree with the developers stance that this would be a tool used for hazing and harassment or at least attention seeking.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

If they can't be bothered to improve then that is a static issue and the player should talk with the static and if they want the player to improve then they should improve or find another static.

At least we agree on that aspect, but I still extend the same overall standard to PF. Like I said, I simply can't get behind the idea even a pug should just accept someone performing well below where they should relative to their ilvl just because they reach the DPS check. Frankly, its this mentality that caused Savage to be made easier and easier. Midas, in my opinion, was a solid tier even if I barely got to experience it personal yet people whined over how hard the mechanics and checks were. And therein lies the problem with accepting "just enough." Putting all that aside, PFs are allowed to make whatever stands they want. If you dislike how the leader handles something, you can leave. Some players will be far more tolerant than others carrying other people.

[Dualgunner]

No, I agree with the developers stance that this would be a tool used for hazing and harassment or at least attention seeking.

The forums are a tool that people harass each other with. The game itself is a tool people harass each other with. The whole internet is a tool used for harassment. Where is your line drawn in the sand here?

[MeganLynn]

What if the parsers were built into the Training Dummies and that's the only place they worked? That a way there's no parsing in dungeons, NO MALICE towards anyone, and you still get the parses to help figure out your best rotation? I dont know if something like that is possible, I'm not tech savvy or anything, but that would be a way to solve it, eh?