Built-in Parsers

[Bobs]

You don't need to be ''ranked'' or ''hardcore'' to even raid in this game. There are dps checks, but there is a difference being at 3.5k dps vs 4k.

The "check" is when you clear the content. A parse is used to blame others. It's the same story in every MMO, from the start of MMOs.

[Kazgrel]

The "check" is when you clear the content. A parse is used to blame others. It's the same story in every MMO, from the start of MMOs.

A parse can be used to find out why the "check" isn't being met.

It's all a matter of how the tool is used. The tool itself does nothing wrong (barring it not being set up properly, but that's user error ).

[SDaemon]

Yes, they are. Now the fight takes longer because one player isn't performing comparably to the others. If it's a question of ilvl difference or lack of experience in the fight, then it's understandable. If they simply can't be bothered to improve, why should other players have to carry anyone? I reiterate, if all seven other players have this mentality, you may no longer meet the DPS checks or have to deal with mechanics you could otherwise skip. Everyone should be held to an equal stand. You blatantly admit one player gets to skate by doing the bare minimum provided DPS checks are met.

If they can't be bothered to improve then that is a static issue and the player should talk with the static and if they want the player to improve then they should improve or find another static.

[akaneakki]

"As far as your comment goes though, where in my comment am I saying players should be told they are doing great when their numbers don't even meet the "requirement" to clear?

I replaced your text with ''no'' because I had a limit to post and it was replying to your whole post.
And also no you havent, but I simply tell you what others have told you and I agree with them. I will say it again, bad players are breeding faster the more people with ''it's fine to be 2k lower dps than the rest, it's just a game'' What about people come home from 8 hours work, do other stuff for family or do hobbies then come back home to play, then suddenly some dude decides to play on a troll level and keeps wiping or enraging boss because he/she can't seem to do the requirement for the boss? I honestly think it's unfair. Go ahead and say it's just a game. Time however isn't just a ''game'' people can play this game on a strict schelude too, don't think it's only about that guy who can't seem to pull it off.

The "check" is when you clear the content. A parse is used to blame others. It's the same story in every MMO, from the start of MMOs.

So whos fault is when 3 dps does 4.5k dps and 1 does 2.5k?
The parser tells people who can't meet the check, how else are we going to find out? Just blindly accuse people? The ''blame'' you speak off, isn't really blaming. It's telling them they aren't meeting the check. You are legit saying it's fine for people to keep wiping others.

[SDaemon]

I replaced your text with ''no'' because I had a limit to post and it was replying to your whole post.
And also no you havent, but I simply tell you what others have told you and I agree with them. I will say it again, bad players are breeding faster the more people with ''it's fine to be 2k lower dps than the rest, it's just a game'' What about people come home from 8 hours work, do other stuff for family or do hobbies then come back home to play, then suddenly some dude decides to play on a troll level and keeps wiping or enraging boss because he/she can't seem to do the requirement for the boss? I honestly think it's unfair. Go ahead and say it's just a game. Time however isn't just a ''game'' people can play this game on a strict schelude too, don't think it's only about that guy who can't seem to pull it off.

If someone is 2k lower dps than the rest and the content is cleared where is the issue? I could understand if in your static that person was consistently 2k below with no signs of trying to improve. But like in the original comment if that person was 2k lower but their DPS was enough (raid dps requirement split evenly among the dps, along with tank rotations)to make the enrage but the enrage was still hit, why kick them? why replace them when clearly it wasn't the issue. An actual static would evaluate the situation, a PF group I don't see doing that, they would simply kick the lowest DPS and look for another.

[HyoMinPark]

The "check" is when you clear the content. A parse is used to blame others. It's the same story in every MMO, from the start of MMOs.

Not all DPS checks are “you cleared the content.” Take Shinryu Ex: every time the Heart spawns, you have to kill it. Otherwise, you’re dead. Mini-DPS check. The little dragon heads is a “healing” check—don’t heal them up? You’re dead. Not all DPS checks are just “clearing” the content.

[akaneakki]

If someone is 2k lower dps than the rest and the content is cleared where is the issue?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. 98% of the content can be cleared with 1 less man in a group. For example 7 can clear 8 man content. Does it mean it's fine? Now imagine you had those 3 dps on pair with that 2k lower dps person, would you clear it? No. If everyone had the mentality of yours, none of the badies would even get a clear. Let's get real.

Let me ask you this, 3 dps is as low as that person whos doing 2k less than everyone else, would you clear it? Yes or no. Then you explain to me why.

[SDaemon]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. 98% of the content can be cleared with 1 less man in a group. For example 7 can clear 8 man content. Does it mean it's fine? Now imagine you had those 3 dps on pair with that 2k lower dps person, would you clear it? No. If everyone had the mentality of yours, none of the badies would even get a clear. Let's get real.

Let me ask you this, 3 dps is as low as that person whos doing 2k less than everyone else, would you clear it? Yes or no. Then you explain to me why.

Yes, they would. If all 4 DPS had the same DPS as the person in question they would clear. That is the entire basis of my comment. If all 4 players had the same DPS they would make the DPS checks. It just so happens that 3 of them are performing better DPS wise. If you need (using low numbers) 1000 from A, 1000 from B, 1000 from C and 1000 from D to clear and you have 2100 from A, 2050 from B, 1900 from C and 1100 from D you should clear it. Is D underperforming DPS wise compared to the rest of the group? Absolutely. Are they doing more than the required DPS? Yes. Should they improve? Certainly. However, if they hit enrage clearly it isn't because of the DPS. Maybe people are dying? Maybe someone is messing up a mechanic too many times? Not the point. Now in a static yes you would ask that 1100 to improve, of course, but you would see what is causing the enrage because everyone is decent if not well above the DPS requirements. I don't see a PF group doing that. They'd simply kick the low DPS and replace them.

And I'm being told people in here would too, simply because they feel that 1100 isn't doing their fair share, which I don't agree with at all. If all DPS needed to be 3000 and he was only doing 1100 so the rest had to do exponentially more, then yes I would absolutely consider that 1100 being carried and should leave that group without delay.

[akaneakki]

Yes, they would. If all 4 DPS had the same DPS as the person in question they would clear.

They wouldn't if dps requirement would be lets say 5k each dps, or slightly lower, this is without healer dps and tanks doing a lot. Then last dps is at 2.5k dps or 3k. They could do it if both healers did 1k dps. But you know how the community works, dps healers = nothx. Tanks are tanks so spam aggro combo. If all 4 had 5k dps it been a easily clear, but lets wrap it around and say all 4 of them had 2.5k dps, would they clear? Nope.

[SDaemon]

They wouldn't if dps requirement would be lets say 5k each dps, or slightly lower, this is without healer dps and tanks doing a lot. Then last dps is at 2.5k dps or 3k. They could do it if both healers did 1k dps. But you know how the community works, dps healers = nothx. Tanks are tanks so spam aggro combo. If all 4 had 5k dps it been a easily clear, but lets wrap it around and say all 4 of them had 2.5k dps, would they clear? Nope.

Yes, if the DPS requirement is 5k personal DPS from each of the 4 DPS and someone isn't hitting that then yes they are underperforming and either need to improve or leave the group. Could the healers make up for it? Yes, but I would consider that being carried since the DPS isn't doing at least their share of the work.

And yes, your second example none would clear as none of them are meeting even the minimum DPS requirement. I can agree with you there, even though that is far from the situation I was arguing.