Built-in Parsers

[SDaemon]

Why, pray tell, is this a bad thing? Even fine-tuning mechanical awareness, you are still asking the remaining seven players to pick up the slack for someone else. Why should I potentially have to pot or should the healers have to break well over 1,500+ each because a Monk can't deal decent damage relative to their ilvl? 20% isn't exactly insignificant either. Should the group fix mechanical errors and deaths? Absolutely. But just brute forcing through is why you'll see Samurai pulling 2,600 DPS in Neo, which is absurdly low yet they have little incentive to improve if it gets them a clear. "Just grit and bear it" breeds a complacent mentality and, in my opinion, is why so many players aren't particularly good at the game.

Why is what a bad thing? Kicking a player for not DPSing on par with the rest of the group, even though their personal DPS is sufficient to make the DPS checks? Why WOULD you kick them? Their DPS is clearly not the issue that is causing the enrage to happen. If it is then they clearly aren't meeting the personal DPS requirement and the point is moot, and he'll need to improve or be replaced. Also, the comment about brute forcing was in regards to them kicking that 20% less DPS player in favor of a DPS that will push higher numbers, even though the original player was doing their fair share of the DPS in order to meet the DPS check.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Why is what a bad thing? Kicking a player for not DPSing on par with the rest of the group, even though their personal DPS is sufficient to make the DPS checks? Why WOULD you kick them? Their DPS is clearly not the issue that is causing the enrage to happen. If it is then they clearly aren't meeting the personal DPS requirement and the point is moot, and he'll need to improve or be replaced. Also, the comment about brute forcing was in regards to them kicking that 20% less DPS player in favor of a DPS that will push higher numbers, even though the original player was doing their fair share of the DPS in order to meet the DPS check.

For the precise reasons I said. Seven other players have to play better to make up the difference for someone who either isn't playing their job properly or messing up. Now I wouldn't necessarily boot them if they aren't dying, but I also can't entirely blame people who don't like carrying. Once again, 20% isn't insignificant. I average roughly 5k+ on Samurai. Using that as a benchmark, you're giving up 1k+ on a job whose sole contribution is high damage. Furthermore, your dichotomy takes away all accountability for personal improvement. DPS checks are generally lax in Savage, at least recently. So basically, do mechanics and if your DPS isn't good, someone else will make up the difference. Why is that acceptable? If all four DPS asked like that, you may not have the DPS anymore.

Now if the group is failing mechanics, you address that issue first. And most people will. I just dislike the mentality of "do the bare minimum." Not to mention, your scenario doesn't really work because if another player can slot in and suddenly you have a clear, damage was the issue.

[SDaemon]

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No, they don't, those 7 other players are not making up any difference. If each DPS needs to do 4400 personal DPS in order to safely clear the encounter's DPS requirements and 3 of those DPS do 5500 and 1 does 4400. Where are they making up the difference? Could that 1 DPS improve and get to 5500 like the rest? Sure, but why would you kick that player when they are doing their fair share of the DPS requirements burden?

Not to mention, your scenario doesn't really work because if another player can slot in and suddenly you have a clear, damage was the issue.

That wasn't my scenario though. Conversely, if the group slots another player and they still don't clear then the damage was not the issue, despite that player before doing their fair share of the DPS.

[akaneakki]

No

Problem with players in this game is because they get told it's fine to keep being shit. When it's clearly not. You keep breeding those bad players, once more and more players tell others it's fine to be ''carried''.
It's like having a bully talking shit and since you are his or her friend, you keep saying it's fine. When do people actually learn to get better? Being told? Absoluttely, the second thing is, they need to be told in good manner. If it does happen and their response is bad, it's their issue and not ours. Earlier I was in a susano extreme where i was second dps as tank, why is a TANK second dps?

This is exactly why I don't do "end game content," in this game.

If you want/need to be ranked play a MOBA or a FPS.

You don't need to be ''ranked'' or ''hardcore'' to even raid in this game. There are dps checks, but there is a difference being at 3.5k dps vs 4k.

[SDaemon]

Problem with players in this game is because they get told it's fine to keep being shit. When it's clearly not. You keep breeding those bad players, once more and more players tell others it's fine to be ''carried''.
It's like having a bully talking shit and since you are his or her friend, you keep saying it's fine. When do people actually learn to get better? Being told? Absoluttely, the second thing is, they need to be told in good manner. If it does happen and their response is bad, it's their issue and not ours. Earlier I was in a susano extreme where i was second dps as tank, why is a TANK second dps?

"No". You replace my text with "No". Okay, you know what, I may not be seeing eye to eye with Bourne right now but I can at least respect her responses, I honestly can't extend the same to you at the moment.

As far as your comment goes though, where in my comment am I saying players should be told they are doing great when their numbers don't even meet the "requirement" to clear?

[akaneakki]

"As far as your comment goes though, where in my comment am I saying players should be told they are doing great when their numbers don't even meet the "requirement" to clear?

I replaced your text with ''no'' because I had a limit to post and it was replying to your whole post.
And also no you havent, but I simply tell you what others have told you and I agree with them. I will say it again, bad players are breeding faster the more people with ''it's fine to be 2k lower dps than the rest, it's just a game'' What about people come home from 8 hours work, do other stuff for family or do hobbies then come back home to play, then suddenly some dude decides to play on a troll level and keeps wiping or enraging boss because he/she can't seem to do the requirement for the boss? I honestly think it's unfair. Go ahead and say it's just a game. Time however isn't just a ''game'' people can play this game on a strict schelude too, don't think it's only about that guy who can't seem to pull it off.

The "check" is when you clear the content. A parse is used to blame others. It's the same story in every MMO, from the start of MMOs.

So whos fault is when 3 dps does 4.5k dps and 1 does 2.5k?
The parser tells people who can't meet the check, how else are we going to find out? Just blindly accuse people? The ''blame'' you speak off, isn't really blaming. It's telling them they aren't meeting the check. You are legit saying it's fine for people to keep wiping others.

[SDaemon]

I replaced your text with ''no'' because I had a limit to post and it was replying to your whole post.
And also no you havent, but I simply tell you what others have told you and I agree with them. I will say it again, bad players are breeding faster the more people with ''it's fine to be 2k lower dps than the rest, it's just a game'' What about people come home from 8 hours work, do other stuff for family or do hobbies then come back home to play, then suddenly some dude decides to play on a troll level and keeps wiping or enraging boss because he/she can't seem to do the requirement for the boss? I honestly think it's unfair. Go ahead and say it's just a game. Time however isn't just a ''game'' people can play this game on a strict schelude too, don't think it's only about that guy who can't seem to pull it off.

If someone is 2k lower dps than the rest and the content is cleared where is the issue? I could understand if in your static that person was consistently 2k below with no signs of trying to improve. But like in the original comment if that person was 2k lower but their DPS was enough (raid dps requirement split evenly among the dps, along with tank rotations)to make the enrage but the enrage was still hit, why kick them? why replace them when clearly it wasn't the issue. An actual static would evaluate the situation, a PF group I don't see doing that, they would simply kick the lowest DPS and look for another.

[Bobs]

You don't need to be ''ranked'' or ''hardcore'' to even raid in this game. There are dps checks, but there is a difference being at 3.5k dps vs 4k.

The "check" is when you clear the content. A parse is used to blame others. It's the same story in every MMO, from the start of MMOs.

[Kazgrel]

The "check" is when you clear the content. A parse is used to blame others. It's the same story in every MMO, from the start of MMOs.

A parse can be used to find out why the "check" isn't being met.

It's all a matter of how the tool is used. The tool itself does nothing wrong (barring it not being set up properly, but that's user error ).

[HyoMinPark]

The "check" is when you clear the content. A parse is used to blame others. It's the same story in every MMO, from the start of MMOs.

Not all DPS checks are “you cleared the content.” Take Shinryu Ex: every time the Heart spawns, you have to kill it. Otherwise, you’re dead. Mini-DPS check. The little dragon heads is a “healing” check—don’t heal them up? You’re dead. Not all DPS checks are just “clearing” the content.