Built-in Parsers

[Lazaruz]

People who bring very divisive political arguments in an already heated debate about something else entirely should be automatically disqualified.

You missed my point entirely.
My point is not only is it wrong to claim that it's true in all cases, but that those who did do the opposite of what Kairi said, had highly positive effects outof it.

Basicly just what I wrote at the very end (and you then conveniently skipped). Sometimes it is a good idea to punish the many, for the actions of a few

Uhm I wasn't referring to guns, but okay.

If you werent reffering to it, or doing it by proxy, you'd have made sure the interpertation wasnt there instead of deliberately allowing it through vague wording

[Baingoleth]

You missed my point entirely.
My point is not only is it wrong to claim that it's true in all cases, but that those who did do the opposite of what Kairi said, had highly positive effects outof it.

Basicly just what I wrote at the very end (and you then conveniently skipped). Sometimes it is a good idea to punish the many, for the actions of a few



If you werent reffering to it, or doing it by proxy, you'd have made sure the interpertation wasnt there instead of deliberately allowing it through vague wording

I read your whole post. I quoted only the relevant bits to express my sentiment. Let's not compare parsers to guns kplsthx. Bringing up gun control is the sort of thing that derails otherwise productive threads.

[LadyKairi]

If you werent reffering to it, or doing it by proxy, you'd have made sure the interpertation wasnt there instead of deliberately allowing it through vague wording

Deliberately my butt. I was talking bout simple everyday tools like hammers, shovels or kitchen cutlery that everyone everywhere use and don't have regulations. Things that aren't super controversial. When I think tools, my mind doesn't automatically go to guns. The word 'tool' can be many many things.

[Lazaruz]

I read your whole post. I quoted only the relevant bits to express my sentiment. Let's not compare parsers to guns kplsthx. Bringing up gun control is the sort of thing that derails otherwise productive threads.

Again, I'm not doing a direct comparison between the 2.
I'm comparing the need to punish everyone using them because a few rotten apples.

And lets be real, this thread stopped being productive long before it even existed, since this topic has already been discussed to death, but neither side wants to give a inch

[Baingoleth]

And lets be real, this thread stopped being productive long before it even existed, since this topic has already been discussed to death, but neither side wants to give a inch

I seriously doubt this topic will go away as long as tools like ACT exist and tools like ACT are going to keep on existing. This is why my stance is to ask for SE to stop the transmission of other player's numbers to all party members.

[TitaniaYaerem]

I feel like the idea of a personal parse wouldn't be a bad idea. Not tracking everyone else's performance but your own at least to maybe see about where you stand. I know that when I first started the game I was clueless if I was doing good or bad(this was before I knew this game even had parsers) so I was a bit lost and just kinda winged it. Due to being able to parse I was able to come a long way from when I had first started raiding in Gordias.

[NintenPyjak64]

I'd like to ask a hypothetical question to the anti-parser people

You're doing O3S, you have a NIN, MNK, RDM and MCH for DPS, and you fail a DPS check 3 times in a row (ignoring tank and healer DPS, let's say it's the White Flame). Somebody you're playing with is running ACT and notices the RDM has considerably lower DPS and higher HPS then usual, and are the only person who has 1 or 2 deaths per attempt. Checking the abilities used shows the RDM is frequently casting Vercure, Jolt 2 (while procs are available) And unenchanted melee attacks.

You and other party members offer advice but it falls on deaf ears. Another failed DPS check and people are starting to get angry

You are the party leader of this team, what would you do? What do you think is fair? Does the RDM's enjoyment of how they play justify the growing frustration of the other party members?

EDIT: The party is a late phase learning party or a weekly kill party. NOT a fresh learning party

[Aramina]

I don't have a problem with parsers, and would actually like an in game one... BUT...

It's been made *very* clear on *many* occassions that it is not going to happen. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever. You can dress it up any way you want and reality won't change. We will not ever get parsers.

Let the poor horse be dead in peace.

[Xlantaa]

Rigth now, after the behavior of the community regarding Parsers and the infamous FFlogs, my stand rigth now is lock the data transmission of other party member damage data to client, this renders the parse useless for anyone else except the player.

Better put an end to this once forever.

[Kacho_Nacho]

I'd like to ask a hypothetical question to the anti-parser people

You're doing O3S, you have a NIN, MNK, RDM and MCH for DPS, and you fail a DPS check 3 times in a row (ignoring tank and healer DPS, let's say it's the White Flame). Somebody you're playing with is running ACT and notices the RDM has considerably lower DPS and higher HPS then usual, and are the only person who has 1 or 2 deaths per attempt. Checking the abilities used shows the RDM is frequently casting Vercure, Jolt 2 (while procs are available) And unenchanted melee attacks.

You and other party members offer advice but it falls on deaf ears. Another failed DPS check and people are starting to get angry

You are the party leader of this team, what would you do? What do you think is fair? Does the RDM's enjoyment of how they play justify the growing frustration of the other party members?

EDIT: The party is a late phase learning party or a weekly kill party. NOT a fresh learning party

Nice example! I'd say it was time to get rid of the RDM and initiate the kick. It is fair to do so because the RDM is obviously ignoring the advice of party members and I. The RDM's enjoyment of how they play is impeding the party as a whole.

Even though I lean toward no parsers, your hypothetical question shows one of your party using a parser correctly.