Built-in Parsers

[KageTokage]

I personally had a bad experience with some stupid elitist claiming I shouldn't even be attempting to do Neo Exdeath with my DPS, judging from what FFLogs was saying about me. Never mind that all of the data on there came from other player's logs and was such a small sample of the Savage kills I had done that it was basically guaranteed to make me look bad.

I ended up getting my first OS4 kill the next week so I strongly wish I could find that guy and give him a piece of my mind.

That said, I really don't think in-game parsers are a solution, and would likely just breed toxicity. if anything, I think they should just make clearing Stone, Sky, and Sea mandatory for entering a savage raid, and give the dummies a proper rebalancing so they're all doable at the minimum item level and require numbers closer to what would be considered optimal without raid buffs.

[RubyCirha]

I'll be honest I remember my early wow days and I used to get kicked out of normal dungeons for being low geared and have low numbers because of it thing is in wow you do dungeons to get better gear so kicking people is counter productive to the problem hence parcers are counter productive at least in the way your describing in all hoesty stone sea sky is good enough as long as you can clear it the only problem you have is doing that lvl of dps while doing mechanics

[Dzian]

And a good parser should tell you where it came from. It should tell you all the damage you do (both damage you do directly and that you do by buffing other players' attacks). It should tell you everything that affects that damage, including splitting out what portion you're fully responsible for and what portion you only got because of someone else's buffs/debuffs.

That doesn't mean it has to tell you about other damage you're not even involved in.

All of these should be listed:

• You got X amount of damage directly
• You added Y amount of damage to other players' attacks with your buffs/debuffs
• You got Z amount of additional damage due to buffs/debuffs from other players
• The damage you were involved in was: (X+Y+Z)
• Your total damage contribution was: (X+Y)

But what should not be included is:

• Teammate So-and-So got W amount of damage

You've kind of proven my point which is. that all these people that ask for just a personal parser specifically say they don't want top see what the rest of the party is doing. and yet your list above only goes to prove that in order to get an accurate assessment of your personal DPS you DO need to know what the rest of the party is doing. because you need to know those important pieces of information you labelled as "Z" and a personal parse cannot tell you that because in order to get Z you need information about the rest of the party.

What you alos fail to realise is that even if you provide Z without providing the rest of the parties actual dps. it wont solve any of the issues your trying to fix by hiding there dps in the first place. because players will look at Z and call out the rest of the party.
"yo ninja you suck you only contributed 0.5% of my dps what the hell you playing at? do you even know what trick attack is?"
"yo ast you know what cards are right so why are you only accounting for 1% of my dps...."

that's really no different at all than " yo ninja your dps sucks"

You simply cannot in anyway have a personal only parse that doesn't tell you about the rest of the party because without "Z" any numbers you get are absolutely worthless and incomaparable.
and in asking for Z you are asking for information about the rest of the partys performance and as such that parse is no longer personal...

I think this is a big part of why Yoshi says no. because the player base doesn't have a clue what they're asking for . we want a personal parse but we want information about how the rest of the party contributes to be included.... total contradiction.

I fully agree with Yoshis stance. not because i'm anti parser. but because the general playerbase simply doesn't know how to use them and interpret the information correctly. which is proven by the sheer amount of people that believe they can make accurate assessments with only a fraction of the information.

[Ilan]

As of now, if someone says to someone in my party "You're performing really badly!" I can jump in and say "AND HOW EXACTLY WOULD YOU KNOW THAT? are you using a parser, by any chance?" And the guy would NEED to back down or risk bring reported. If parsers are allowed, he is also entitled to do that which is doing. Which is something neither SE nor all the people against parsers in this and in the myriad of threads over the subject condone.

Again, the way it is right now is more than enough. You're free to use it for your personal use, but NOT to JUDGE OTHER PEOPLE'S PERFORMANCE PUBLICLY.

Do you really think that someone needs a parser to see if someone is playing bad?

[LadyKairi]

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You've obviously not done high end content then. The different mechanics can affect your damage output, especially when you're still learning. A normal person doesn't memorize specific timing of mechs without visual/audio ques. Your idea is stupid, considering you don't have mechanics to worry about when hitting a dummy. You won't get an accurate reading at all.

And I'm sick of the complaints of telling others how poorly they're doing... why in the heck should people in high end content carry someone who can't pull their weight? So their feelings don't get hurt? Shove off with that. Savage fights are supposed to be a TEAM effort from EVERYONE. Unless I'm getting paid handsomely to carry, I refuse to let someone mooch off me and my team. I wanna clear, not be held back. I won't be a twat about it, but it's not okay. It's not fair for the other party members.

[LadyKairi]

I support the addition of an official parser. An official parser does not make harassment of others over damage output okay. Why do people seem to think it would suddenly be okay to do??? I wish I wouldn't have to break rules in order to know how much damage I'm doing. I know after hearing how much I've improved on neo, I'm on cloud 9. Bursting with pride. Without people parsing, I wouldn't have known. It's a great tool, but like a lot of other things. I mean, there's people who use tools to kill people, but are they banned by the government? No. The perpetrators get punished, and those who use the tool as intended are still free to do so.

[Baingoleth]

I am amazed at how some people react to this topic with fear, paranoia and crazy responses.

In case you missed the headlines, parsers already exist and are being used. Some people are using them to find out other player's numbers so they can be picky about who is in their parties. Some people are using them to find out their own numbers and improve their game.

This might be a shocker to some people also. There is nothing SE can do to prevent 3rd party tools parsing at least personal numbers. Really. Your client needs to know what damage, healing, aggro, etc applies to your toon. Someone is always going to figure out how to aggregate this data and present this to the player. Since nothing is sent back to the servers when parsing, unless a player says that they are parsing, SE never can know.

What SE can do is prevent your client from finding out any other player's numbers. Why they haven't done this yet is beyond me. And No, you don't need to know any other player's numbers. If a player is not ready for or is not skilled enough for a dungeon, it is going to be obvious enough anyway without knowing their numbers. I'd rather see less crazy people arguing over another player's DPS than have the few who think they need to see other people's DPS for some legitimate reason get these stats.

Lastly, for the people who are all paranoid that even a personal parser built into the client would be a problem, can you prove it? No, you can't. You just assume that people pressuring others for their numbers will be such a big deal. This is the internet people. No one can twist your arm and force you to tell them anything about your DPS. Not only that, but also, you can lie about your numbers. Really, you can tell them whatever you want or just tell them nothing. If their clients are not getting any numbers about you how will they know? And why do you care if anyone else wants to use a built in personal parser? Don't use it if you don't want to know your stats. Assuming SE stopped transmitting other player's numbers to all party members, that information would be between the client and the player only. Do you tell your co-workers all your secrets? No. You don't. Who is forcing you to tell people on the internet things that you don't want them to know? Grow a spine.

I would like to see SE make a client change so no one can see anyone else's numbers and if they did that, there is no reason why a built-in personal parser would be a problem. At least then PS4 players would stop feeling left out. If they don't make a built-in parser I, personally, could care less. I would however, like it if my stats were not transmitted to the whole party though because some people who play FFXIV are crazy and have no idea how to evaluate a player's skill or even how to play nice at all.

[Lazaruz]

I support the addition of an official parser. An official parser does not make harassment of others over damage output okay. Why do people seem to think it would suddenly be okay to do???

Because SE is already on record that it's fine to remove people due to low DPS as it's a "difference in playstyle". They're just cracking down on people who use the numbers to harass other people as you're not supposed to have those numbers to begin with, but with a ingame tool you are and the line between "difference in playstyle" and "harassment" becomes much harder to draw.

Lord knows the GMs already seem to have a problem with actually punishing people who step outof line, instead of just opting for the victim to blacklist the person

I mean, there's people who use tools to kill people, but are they banned by the government? No. The perpetrators get punished, and those who use the tool as intended are still free to do so.

Horrible example to make as that varies by country to country, and only the US is really the poster child for maintaining this attitude despite a OVERWHELMING ammount of murders, school shootings, and you name it.

Many other countries DID effectively ban guns, because some people cannot be trusted to own one. And the murder rate dropped like a rock as a result.

It sucks but sometimes punishing the majority is actually the best option as it is the most effective, and I cannot wait for the people crying and begging for a parser in FF14 so they can judge the numbers of everyone else, to realise it.

[Baingoleth]

I mean, there's people who use tools to kill people, but are they banned by the government? No. The perpetrators get punished, and those who use the tool as intended are still free to do so.

Many other countries DID effectively ban guns, because some people cannot be trusted to own one. And the murder rate dropped like a rock as a result.

People who bring very divisive political arguments in an already heated debate about something else entirely should be automatically disqualified.

[LadyKairi]

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Uhm I wasn't referring to guns, but okay.