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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscura View Post
    I've already stated I don't really care either way whether or not parsers are officially supported or not. I only parse in my static, my group of friends. Your hostile attitude is exactly why people completely shove aside anti-parsers altogether and their arguments. Learn to actually read the entire post next time. I said specifically that "I don't want parsers because someone might yell at me," is a victim mentality, which is undeniably true. To immediately assume someone will bully or yell at you means you are already making yourself out to be a victim before it even happens.

    Maybe you should chill out?
    I could say the same as you're quite rudely assuming I'm just making everything up, when I saw it first hand in MMO's like WoW

    Quote Originally Posted by Neocamp View Post
    As someone who played WoW for 8 years and raided heroic and then mythic for 4 of those years the idea that parsers lead directly to toxicity is utterly ridiculous. Were there instances of people using recount or skada to point out low dps and thus ridicule players? Yes, absolutely. However it was and is not common. I can probably count the amount of times toxicity was generated from one of those tools on one hand.
    I envy whatever server you were on. As where I hung out it was a constant thing, not just in endgame content, but even dungeons used for leveling purposes.

    I guess the "anecdotal evidence" is in both camps after all, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazaruz View Post
    I could say the same as you're quite rudely assuming I'm just making everything up, when I saw it first hand in MMO's like WoW
    Quote Originally Posted by Oscura View Post
    There are people who claim for instance, WoW parsing totally ruined it and people are awful, but then there are people who claim that isn't the case, it's great to be able to parse whenever and that people still play as they want.
    You can see here that I address that multiple different people will always have multiple different accounts.

    I may have said "made up boogeyman," but the fact of the matter is that is my opinion. I've been playing this game since early access and only once have I ever seen drama regarding parsing.

    Even if you felt I was being rude, being hostile over my opinion is exactly why people completely look over the anti-parsing crowd. Anyone who is anti-parsing gets incredibly defensive and takes things personally almost immediately. It's hard to empathize with that.

    Edit: It also does not help that people who are anti-parsing are super offended by my post or keep arguing with it despite the fact that I agree that there will realistically never be a parser in this game and that I'm fine with it...
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    Last edited by Oscura; 10-27-2017 at 02:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazaruz View Post
    I envy whatever server you were on. As where I hung out it was a constant thing, not just in endgame content, but even dungeons used for leveling purposes.

    I guess the "anecdotal evidence" is in both camps after all, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazaruz View Post
    I could say

    i agree with you about the toxic part to be honest all you have to do is read the party finder discriptions. Bring the deeps, if you suck kick, if you hold us back kicked, two mistakes kicked , I totally understand and if everyone had access to a parse the talk would probaly get worse. But what you are forgetting is they could still enforce the rules of harassment which would make it to where once someone started harassing someone about their dps then they would get in trouble. You can have a parse system , and still enforce other rules just because you have one doesn't mean you cant have the other.

    And also you cant be tryin to do endgame content and be soft, like Im not a top tank on floggs I wouldn't mind constructive criticism thats how you get better. If you doing hard content and if someone politely says something about your dps you should be able to take it in stride and report those whom are toxic if you like to report that type thing.
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