Built-in Parsers

[frostmagemari]

For the 17,845th time. They are not going to put a parser into the game. All the threads in the world aren't going to help because they know what toxicity parsers lead to.

As for what SQE knows.. they don't know that parsers turn people toxic, because they can't point to reliable instances of the introduction of parsers leading to an inhospitable environment. They only have anecdotal testimony from people who think that people will be elitist towards them; but people will do that anyway, even without a reason.

Just read the forums to see how people treat others on here. Parsers lead to even more of that crap. Move on already.

The forums are a very small subset of people, and honestly.. it's the people against the parsers that seem to act in a manner that's counter productive to discourse (but this is only anecdotal).

[Lazaruz]

and honestly.. it's the people against the parsers that seem to act in a manner that's counter productive to discourse (but this is only anecdotal).

You will never realistically defeat or dissuade the victimized mentality that a lot of the community and forum loves to have regarding parsers.

Yes because claiming everyone who doesnt agree with you have some kind of victim attitude is oh so productive

well when someone ask for a personal parse for themselves then what would be the argument for the otherside exactly?

Nice try, but the discussion isnt about personal parser, and has never been, as those in favour of the tool time and time again will use whatever strawman argument they need to justify having acess to numbers that arent their own

case and point

Because knowing how much damage your doing us useless information if you don't know why.

And in order to know why you need to know what the rest of your party is doing. What ast cards you got what debuffs the boss has. We're party buffs used did the ninja use trick attacks as much as he could have.

All of these things the 7 other people in your group do but you have no control over have a very significant impact on your personal dps.

Personal parsers simply won't work because all 8 people in the party contribute to your dps in varying amounts based on there jobs and how well they are playing.

You could take a Joe average 50th percentile monk for example and put in an elite group with 7 99th percentile players. And practically guarantee that monk isn't gonna be 50th percentile any more but way up there maybe 75th or 80th percentile player. Just because of the 7 people he's grouped with even if his standard of play hasn't actually improved

Now let me ask you all a question, did it ever occur to you that the game is quite litterally designed in such a way where parsing software isnt required, or why else would they cross-platform it with something that litterally cannot use parsers unless it's through ingame means? Or are you all just screaming because you cant tell people off for underperforming before you kick them?

[Oscura]

Yes because claiming everyone who doesnt agree with you have some kind of victim attitude is oh so productive

I've already stated I don't really care either way whether or not parsers are officially supported or not. I only parse in my static, my group of friends. Your hostile attitude is exactly why people completely shove aside anti-parsers altogether and their arguments. Learn to actually read the entire post next time. I said specifically that "I don't want parsers because someone might yell at me," is a victim mentality, which is undeniably true. To immediately assume someone will bully or yell at you means you are already making yourself out to be a victim before it even happens.

Maybe you should chill out?

[Lazaruz]

I've already stated I don't really care either way whether or not parsers are officially supported or not. I only parse in my static, my group of friends. Your hostile attitude is exactly why people completely shove aside anti-parsers altogether and their arguments. Learn to actually read the entire post next time. I said specifically that "I don't want parsers because someone might yell at me," is a victim mentality, which is undeniably true. To immediately assume someone will bully or yell at you means you are already making yourself out to be a victim before it even happens.

Maybe you should chill out?

I could say the same as you're quite rudely assuming I'm just making everything up, when I saw it first hand in MMO's like WoW

As someone who played WoW for 8 years and raided heroic and then mythic for 4 of those years the idea that parsers lead directly to toxicity is utterly ridiculous. Were there instances of people using recount or skada to point out low dps and thus ridicule players? Yes, absolutely. However it was and is not common. I can probably count the amount of times toxicity was generated from one of those tools on one hand.

I envy whatever server you were on. As where I hung out it was a constant thing, not just in endgame content, but even dungeons used for leveling purposes.

I guess the "anecdotal evidence" is in both camps after all, eh?

[Oscura]

I could say the same as you're quite rudely assuming I'm just making everything up, when I saw it first hand in MMO's like WoW

There are people who claim for instance, WoW parsing totally ruined it and people are awful, but then there are people who claim that isn't the case, it's great to be able to parse whenever and that people still play as they want.

You can see here that I address that multiple different people will always have multiple different accounts.

I may have said "made up boogeyman," but the fact of the matter is that is my opinion. I've been playing this game since early access and only once have I ever seen drama regarding parsing.

Even if you felt I was being rude, being hostile over my opinion is exactly why people completely look over the anti-parsing crowd. Anyone who is anti-parsing gets incredibly defensive and takes things personally almost immediately. It's hard to empathize with that.

Edit: It also does not help that people who are anti-parsing are super offended by my post or keep arguing with it despite the fact that I agree that there will realistically never be a parser in this game and that I'm fine with it...

[Neocamp]

I envy whatever server you were on. As where I hung out it was a constant thing, not just in endgame content, but even dungeons used for leveling purposes.

I guess the "anecdotal evidence" is in both camps after all, eh?

Sargeras

[bswpayton]

I could say

i agree with you about the toxic part to be honest all you have to do is read the party finder discriptions. Bring the deeps, if you suck kick, if you hold us back kicked, two mistakes kicked , I totally understand and if everyone had access to a parse the talk would probaly get worse. But what you are forgetting is they could still enforce the rules of harassment which would make it to where once someone started harassing someone about their dps then they would get in trouble. You can have a parse system , and still enforce other rules just because you have one doesn't mean you cant have the other.

And also you cant be tryin to do endgame content and be soft, like Im not a top tank on floggs I wouldn't mind constructive criticism thats how you get better. If you doing hard content and if someone politely says something about your dps you should be able to take it in stride and report those whom are toxic if you like to report that type thing.

[frostmagemari]

Yes because claiming everyone who doesnt agree with you have some kind of victim attitude is oh so productive

Or are you all just screaming because you cant tell people off for underperforming before you kick them?

You kind of proved a few people's points by your post... Just saying.

[Lazaruz]

You kind of proved a few people's points by your post... Just saying.

I'm not saying I didnt. I'm saying I resent the accusation that only "one side" is being a problem