Built-in Parsers

[LaylaTsarra]

You will never realistically defeat or dissuade the victimized mentality that a lot of the community and forum loves to have regarding parsers.

Oddly enough the Director and Dev team know full well what the effects of an official parser will have and as such they have clearly shown they don't want them for FFXIV so please stop with the victimized mentality of the community. The parser brigade just wants to see their side of it and that's always very clear from parser threads like these.

[Oscura]

Oddly enough the Director and Dev team know full well what the effects of an official parser will have and as such they have clearly shown they don't want them for FFXIV so please stop with the victimized mentality of the community. The parser brigade just wants to see their side of it and that's always very clear from parser threads like these.

They don't know what they don't know. They can't know whether or not parsers will have any sort of negative effect unless they've had a proper testing group or put it out in the wild, they have done neither. The fact of the matter is that everyone is scared of a boogeyman that hardly exists.

I'm just telling the OP to accept the fact that parsers will realistically never be officially supported, the reasoning as to why ultimately does not matter and is completely down to opinion. Yoshida also promised personal housing separate from FC housing, the dev team released "release ninja," which was hilariously broken, I could go on about their mistakes. They are not infallible and their words aren't fact. Regardless of all of that, unless he or the community changes their mind it will realistically never happen. He's fine with playing the gray area and completely freeing himself of responsibility and letting ACT exist in the meantime, hypocritically.

It's so weird to even get this reply. I assume you don't want parsers, yet even in my post I mention that parsers will realistically never be officially supported. I am essentially agreeing with you, yet because I didn't say it the specific way you wanted me to, you are generalizing me as part of the "parser brigade." It's just odd. You mention that the "parser brigade" only wants to see their side of it, yet you label me because I said something in a way you dislike. Pot calling kettle black?

[LaylaTsarra]

They don't know what they don't know. They can't know whether or not parsers will have any sort of negative effect unless they've had a proper testing group or put it out in the wild, they have done neither. The fact of the matter is that everyone is scared of a boogeyman that hardly exists.

Calling the community victimized means what exactly? You're showing your bias I'm afraid with that comment. The dev's understand full well what the effects are from the effect they've had in other mmo's. No I don't support parsers, not in the least. I think that's pretty clear and happy FFXIV has decided against them.

[Ilan]

Calling the community victimized means what exactly? You're showing your bias I'm afraid with that comment. The dev's understand full well what the effects are from the effect they've had in other mmo's. No I don't support parsers, not in the least. I think that's pretty clear and happy FFXIV has decided against them.

They work fine in other games. Don't act like parser would ruin a game.

[LaylaTsarra]

They work fine in other games. Don't act like parser would ruin a game.

Oh sure they do. LoL. Sorry live with it. We're not getting them here.

[Ilan]

Oh sure they do. LoL. Sorry live with it. We're not getting them here.

No they don't because people ruin the game and the best part is that most pc players already use a parser and nothing happened to the game. Next time come with a valid argument and not some fictional nonsense.

Its no problem if people are against a parser if they can name valid reasons but this "the community blablabla" is just nonsense.

[AlexionSkylark]

most pc players already use a parser and nothing happened to the game.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHH... I beg to differ. The DPS META happened to the game and it's community. And this beach made the game toxic af.

[frostmagemari]

Personally.. i'm not really understanding why people have such a problem with something like this; I've heard the arguments against it, i just don't understand the logic on how they come to it as most of it seems to be an emotional response to wanting no judgement and guesswork that the XIV world as we know it would come to an end if we had it. (Hyperbole, but it's what it looks like sometimes)

In the game no one seems to ever want to have mentioned (as if it were voldemorte), there have been DPS meters for quite some time (Recount and Skada have been the big ones, and they track dps and hps). The only times i've seen people reliably worry about dps is in progress heavy guilds, and not PUG stuff; and for the most part, the meters have been there to show if someone has reason to improve and a tool to see if they have improved.

Will there be jackasses out there? Of course there will be.. will they be some rampant epidemic that will blight the XIV communities and make people toxic? No. Toxic people will always be toxic, regardless of the tools at their disposal and a dps/hps meter set up wouldn't make people who aren't toxic into people that are.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHH... I beg to differ. The DPS META happened to the game and it's community. And this beach made the game toxic af.

I think the game is a lot less toxic than people like to think it is. For the most part, people seem to be indifferent to everyone else unless you're part of a regularly scheduled group and then with that, everyone has essentially agreed to try to bring the A-game.
As for the DPS Meta, people have always found a way to determine what DPS classes are the best to bring even without a parser; They're usually just less precise and prone to more error, but the meta will be there regardless.

[Oscura]

Calling the community victimized means what exactly? You're showing your bias I'm afraid with that comment. The dev's understand full well what the effects are from the effect they've had in other mmo's. No I don't support parser, not in the least. I think that's pretty evident.

Except they don't know what it has done to other MMOs aside from anecdotal claims. Square-Enix realistically knows about how it influences other games and their communities as much as the average FFXIV player does. There are people who claim for instance, WoW parsing totally ruined it and people are awful, but then there are people who claim that isn't the case, it's great to be able to parse whenever and that people still play as they want.

I'm calling it victimizing because when someone tells me, "I don't want parsing because someone might yell at me," vs "I don't want parsing because I don't want parsing," the former is the mentality of a victim. The latter just means they don't want it. Either way is their right, but I call it like I see it.

My bias is not showing, I have said in previous parsing threads that I don't care either way. I never parse outside of my own static so whether or not it's officially supported is truly and ultimately irrelevant to me. You are just making assumptions and running with them. You say that the "parsing brigade" only wants to see their own side, yet just because I said something in a way you didn't like you suddenly believe I am biased despite having nothing but an assumption. You know what they say about assuming, right?

[bswpayton]

Calling the community .

its not that they exactly have decided against it , its more so that this is one of the few cross platform games and the ps4 is the problem the argument over parser wouldnt be a thing if this was a pc only game. We wouldnt even be having this discussion time and time again. As someone who started this game on pc I can tell you that being on pc is alt better than playing blinde on ps4, just even going back lookin at flogs it has shown me in areas of fights where its not that Im not dealing damage but that Im losing uptime tryin to preform a mechanic. If I wasnt on ps4 Id have an easier way to pin point the times where Im missing up time far more often than being on ps4. Ps4 essentially shows u nothing at all absolutely nothing , pc to me is truly the only way to fully enjoy this game if you want to work on improving urself as a better player.