Built-in Parsers

[Enla]

So long as they continue their "don't ask, don't tell" policy I'm not much fussed either way. Particularly as I /have/ been harassed by people in the past for not putting out enough DPS, with the most poignant example being back when I was playing a SMN and had to drop DPSing Garuda EX in order to hard raise multiple people. All because the group thought a single healer would be acceptable. It was not. This was all back when it was progression content, mind you. Yet because all this person cared to look at was their parser I nearly got kicked from the party for trying to prevent a wipe. (I got the mount though and they immediately left the party. Never been a better feeling.) There's been other incidents in the years since then, though observed rather than actually having to deal with them myself, but it's all left me with an inability to trust in this community to not behave terribly when people aren't performing to 'their' standards. Especially since half the time the people complaining are often the ones doing the least amount of work.

[Heart-of-Asia]

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After the Shirogane patch first came out I was a few days late to doing one of the new dungeons. Ended up in there with a healer that hadn't done the dungeon either. Was trying to adjust to SMN changes on top of trying to REMEMBER dungeon mechanics from the video I watched prior to entering. I ended up raising the healer on several occasions along with other party members. The tank got really nasty with me and asked me why I wasn't doing enough DPS cause they were parsing. I legit haven't been in a dungeon since. Very demotivating.

[Rinuko]

After the Shirogane patch first came out I was a few days late to doing one of the new dungeons. Ended up in there with a healer that hadn't done the dungeon either. Was trying to adjust to SMN changes on top of trying to REMEMBER dungeon mechanics from the video I watched prior to entering. I ended up raising the healer on several occasions along with other party members. The tank got really nasty with me and asked me why I wasn't doing enough DPS cause they were parsing. I legit haven't been in a dungeon since. Very demotivating.

Would report for harassment.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

After the Shirogane patch first came out I was a few days late to doing one of the new dungeons. Ended up in there with a healer that hadn't done the dungeon either. Was trying to adjust to SMN changes on top of trying to REMEMBER dungeon mechanics from the video I watched prior to entering. I ended up raising the healer on several occasions along with other party members. The tank got really nasty with me and asked me why I wasn't doing enough DPS cause they were parsing. I legit haven't been in a dungeon since. Very demotivating.

Sounds like you were doing your job and more. If nothing else you were definitely making effort. Don't let that tank or their parsing stop you from doing what you want.

[LaylaTsarra]

After the Shirogane patch first came out I was a few days late to doing one of the new dungeons. Ended up in there with a healer that hadn't done the dungeon either. Was trying to adjust to SMN changes on top of trying to REMEMBER dungeon mechanics from the video I watched prior to entering. I ended up raising the healer on several occasions along with other party members. The tank got really nasty with me and asked me why I wasn't doing enough DPS cause they were parsing. I legit haven't been in a dungeon since. Very demotivating.

Bet that tank uses his parser in Satasha baby too.

[NintenPyjak64]

After the Shirogane patch first came out I was a few days late to doing one of the new dungeons. Ended up in there with a healer that hadn't done the dungeon either. Was trying to adjust to SMN changes on top of trying to REMEMBER dungeon mechanics from the video I watched prior to entering. I ended up raising the healer on several occasions along with other party members. The tank got really nasty with me and asked me why I wasn't doing enough DPS cause they were parsing. I legit haven't been in a dungeon since. Very demotivating.

In this scenario, reporting the person would be the best course of action. The fact they were parsing wasn't the problem, it was how they chose to use that information, which in this case was to attack you

E-peen and call outs are the top reasons to use it in them in fights.

Only imbeciles use parsers for that. These are the people that should be reported.
Also 9 times out of 10, those types of people have lower numbers overall then everybody else, they're POS players who just want to rustle your jimmies

You don't want to believe people can use parsers for improvement? Fine. But understand that parsing a dummy, and parsing a boss (Especially mechanic heavy fights) are 2 totally different things

[DeaconMoore]

You don't want to believe people can use parsers for improvement? Fine. But understand that parsing a dummy, and parsing a boss (Especially mechanic heavy fights) are 2 totally different things

You don't need a parser to tell you your dps is in the toilet when you're spending the fight dead or running around panicking. A mod like deadly boss mods helps you with mechanical problems, not a parser. If you told me your dps is low because you're learning your rotation, you'd get the boot. That's something you do on your own time before the raid, not during the raid wasting everyone's time.

[Taika]

After the Shirogane patch first came out I was a few days late to doing one of the new dungeons. Ended up in there with a healer that hadn't done the dungeon either. Was trying to adjust to SMN changes on top of trying to REMEMBER dungeon mechanics from the video I watched prior to entering. I ended up raising the healer on several occasions along with other party members. The tank got really nasty with me and asked me why I wasn't doing enough DPS cause they were parsing. I legit haven't been in a dungeon since. Very demotivating.

This is really not an argument against what's being asked for. I haven't seen anyone asking for a parser to be used in content like leveling or expert dungeons, especially against people's will.

The OP suggested separate queues for people who wish to use one and those who don't. I've suggested parser as a optional feature only to be allowed in premade parties (so not for duty finder roulettes with randoms, for example, and people would have the option to join or to not join a party that uses one). They're not needed in leveling or expert dungeons, but they're needed for things like Savage, and there's no reason to deny them from that content (especially if they're optional for players).

[Claviusnex]

After the Shirogane patch first came out I was a few days late to doing one of the new dungeons. Ended up in there with a healer that hadn't done the dungeon either. Was trying to adjust to SMN changes on top of trying to REMEMBER dungeon mechanics from the video I watched prior to entering. I ended up raising the healer on several occasions along with other party members. The tank got really nasty with me and asked me why I wasn't doing enough DPS cause they were parsing. I legit haven't been in a dungeon since. Very demotivating.

This a good argument for my belief that any in game parsing should be at the individual player level. During my early years in that other game I used recount and skada after I learned about them from some other players. They helped me learn where I was having problems and get to a point I could hold my own. However I only used them for myself or with members of my family and friend guild. I also saw them used in PUGs as a means to grief or scapegoat people which I would not want to see here. The problem is to is too easy for people to take the low road in PUGs with fully sanctioned parsing. I think the only reason it hasn't gone that way in FFXIV is SE's saying it is against the TOS but only taking action if it is abused. As to how to handle the more serious players and statics, what's wrong with the current method or using an external site to aggregate the data? It seems to me the methods are there to accommodate the current player base without the toxicity that the other game has in relation to parsers.