Built-in Parsers

[xJimmehx]

I honestly don't understand the naoki yoshida mindset. The man must be from mars or something. (seriously, i wonder what he's thinking) We have parsers, with or without his consent, on pc. It isn't something he can control and they basically allow it as long as you don't talk about it or harass others. Why wouldn't it be better to allow console players to do it too? Especially if they keep the "no harassment" stance.

It's currently both a way for the pc players who "want" to abuse others with it to abuse it AND a way for more kind pc players to have an advantage over anyone on console. It's twice as bad.
Console and pc players alike are getting kicked because of it AND console players cant use it, when we pc players can.

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Is it really this complicated?

Hell, People can kick you for having a "gay looking glamour", dying once or even for being a cat boy(so long as they label it differing play styles). Why don't they just idk...actually moderate the game? Pvp is full of bots and hacking. Gil bots teleport hack 24/7. Feast chat was completely removed. You know youre greedy when you start removing the components that make up a game just so you don't have to spend a tiny fraction of your million(plus some change) monthly subs to hire people that moderate and enforce the tos and general behavioral policies.

[Shai]

You know youre greedy when you start removing the components that make up a game just so you don't have to spend a tiny fraction of your million(plus some change) monthly subs to hire people that moderate and enforce the tos and general behavioral policies.

The problem with this mindset is the millions of subs aren't paying for QOL improvements in the game - a fraction of them are. The lion's share of sub money is going toward making stupid junk like FFXV VR Fishing -- cause the Fishing in FFXV was so good that they needed to jump on the VR bandwagon with it. You can't think that our money only goes to improving our lives in FFXIV. It's like thinking all your taxes are there to improve your life personally. It goes to the whole company (or government in my analogy) and gets appropriated as they see fit.

[ElazulHP]

I'm of two minds on this. On one hand I really don't want to see people harassed just because they are not that good at the game. That is the kind of thing that creates a toxic environment and drives away players. Then on the other hand I want to be able to see my own numbers and the numbers of my team so we can improve where needed. In the end I think the current approach of "Don't ask, don't tell" is probably for the best right now. This is just my opinion though.

[whiskeybravo]

Very real situation. Recently recruiting for replacement tank in my static. One guy I talked to vehemently expressed his disgust with the attitude of PF groups. Doing my due diligence to check his logs, I literally find he has the worst of the worst. Come to find out he plays on ps4, he had no idea that his damage was so low. I wanted to give him a shot because he seemed very interested in learning how to be better. After working with him one night, we increased his dps by almost 1000. He still needs a bit more improvement, but how would he have ever known how "bad" he was. What PF is gonna take the time to work with him to get better? None. While I can't say for certain, I'd be willing to bet a lot the cancer he ran in to in PF got a hell of lot worse when they saw his numbers lol

For reasons like this I'd support a personal in-game parser. It doesn't have show other people's dps, only your own. There's really no other way to get better in this game then by comparing damage. Half the "hardcore" raiding community would be shite without 3rd party plugins calling out mechanics for them, without being able to see their damage numbers compared to everyone else, without fflogs breaking down every single aspect of the fight for them. So let PS4 players be able to see their own damage, it's not asking a lot.

[Ilan]

Very real situation. Recently recruiting for replacement tank in my static. One guy I talked to vehemently expressed his disgust with the attitude of PF groups. Doing my due diligence to check his logs, I literally find he has the worst of the worst. Come to find out he plays on ps4, he had no idea that his damage was so low. I wanted to give him a shot because he seemed very interested in learning how to be better. After working with him one night, we increased his dps by almost 1000. He still needs a bit more improvement, but how would he have ever known how "bad" he was. What PF is gonna take the time to work with him to get better? None. While I can't say for certain, I'd be willing to bet a lot the cancer he ran in to in PF got a hell of lot worse when they saw his numbers lol

For reasons like this I'd support a personal in-game parser. It doesn't have show other people's dps, only your own. There's really no other way to get better in this game then by comparing damage. Half the "hardcore" raiding community would be shite without 3rd party plugins calling out mechanics for them, without being able to see their damage numbers compared to everyone else, without fflogs breaking down every single aspect of the fight for them. So let PS4 players be able to see their own damage, it's not asking a lot.

Its a good example why a parser is not a bad thing, but you'll still have these people who will cry that parsers are the mos evil thing in the world.

[Mepplin]

For reasons like this I'd support a personal in-game parser. It doesn't have show other people's dps, only your own. There's really no other way to get better in this game then by comparing damage. Half the "hardcore" raiding community would be shite without 3rd party plugins calling out mechanics for them, without being able to see their damage numbers compared to everyone else, without fflogs breaking down every single aspect of the fight for them. So let PS4 players be able to see their own damage, it's not asking a lot.

Wait... What?! There are third party programs which tell you about upcoming mechanics? o.o
Probably explains a lot! (Like simultanous mechanics happening more and more. Way easier to do your job if you dont need to think about mechanics...)

I guess getting a better grasp on ones own dps is the most significant point.
Why not force everyone to be successful at that certain dummy before joining via tool? Or better: add some option for PF to filter people who have not archieved a dummy-down at that fight.
The last idea would be to give a better idea of how good/bad one is. Just like grades. S for the best, A for good, B for medium. (or something else. Just copied it from hunts)
And have people not being able to eat stuff or use buffing potions. Because that feels to me like cheating. (If one isnt able to beat that dummy unbuffed but barely makes it buffed.) One should be able to beat dummies without food/pots.

Actually that is already happening since those hard dps-checks started. (Heavensward?)
Or what do you think of people wanting to force their tanks and healers to minimize their maintasks in favor of damage? I think it's exactly the same thing. And this is something I'm completely against at. I really prefer that "oldschool" role-system over dps>all. But less and less people seem to care about that.
Nice for people who calculate all of this and show the difference between two parties - one playing more safe, the other "a bit" more reckless. With that more reckless party being faster 2 mins resulting in that being a "pro dps>all"-point.
But one thing is being forgotten. Not everyone is able to hit those 95%+ parses. There are even parties whose members tend to do more mistakes than others; resulting in slower progression. And that should be fine. You cant just throw people out of some content just because of... wait. What exactly? I cant think about a reason for that...

I've seen threads where raiders (or players who are full of themselfes for whatever else reason?) told about their kicks of very bad people who dont care about gear. (ever been new to mmos? did you grasp everything from the first 1-2 months? me not. I started thinking about stats way after I had my first raiding experiences.) Sometimes they even told about having seen their very bad gear (ok - some mid hw-weapon with 63 is REALLY old; but one could be friendly or tell a joke about it instead of insulting them) and how they then started to pull more to force the healer out. Without being the tank. Think about that. DPS pulling another two sets of enemies just to have the healer leave or convincing the tank to kick that healer... And yes. This has been told to have happened in eighter leveling dungeons and daily queues. Far away from any extreme or raidcontent. But the worst point? Those people seemed to be proud about it.
Well I can understand their frustration at some points. I'm not very happy with 80 minute daily queues as well. Or if people are really underperforming (like doing 1/3 of the "usual") or not even trying to understand mechanics which causes them to die. But I dont see it as a reason to insult/harass those people. Why not ask friendly if those knew about their fault(s)? Or if one isnt in the mood to talk to them, why not stay quiet?

I'm sorry. But this game (or its community) is already at that point.
There shouldnt be any further thread coming from built in parsers. Yes the toxic behaviour will (probably) increase. But at least people would get a tool to try and get better on their own.
I dont think they would be needed on every content. Dummies should have them. Maybe even as a PF-Option if that will be shown or not. Making it PF only.

Those common "bigpulls" (door to door) are part of it as well. Some people get nervous easily if they arent sure about their tanking capability and then get dps or healers which eighter seem to want one to go faster or who actually go and pull stuff. The same from the healer. It's not nice to do bigpulls with every healers. There could be some who are new to this. Though I've seen tanks asking their healer if its okay to do bigpulls. Or the healer telling the tank that more is okay if he wants to.

[akaneakki]

For those who don't want parser. I can understand (from your point of view) that you are afraid getting harrased.
Let me ask you this, you go in a group you find out you got enrage because you are 20% dps lower than the second or even third dps. What is your view on this? Keep going tillit's dead even tho you know it's a dead end? Then my second question is, you end up finding out the dps in your group is 20% lower than you on dps and you get enrage, what would you do? Then the last one is, if a group has amazing dps and can cover for yours, do you feel its okay for them to do it for you, them pulling the gameplay by 85% or more? Or is it unfair for them? Now, imagine they played at your level, would that be fun for you? Or selfish behalf of the 7 others?

[SDaemon]

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Depends. Is that 20% lower still within the required DPS to clear? If so then the issue clearly isn't with the party's DPS and they are failing mechanics. However, a group will likely just kick that 20% less DPS in favor of trying to push out more DPS in hopes of winning. As players are able to push out greater numbers they will gradually expect the overall community to do the same regardless whether or not the content requires it.

If that 20% less DPS puts them below the threshold of what each DPS needs to do in order to clear the encounter then yes, that person should be replaced or guided in a way to help them improve.

If in a group someone is doing amazing DPS and they are below then it again depends. Are they doing well? Are their numbers enough that in the scope of the fight they are doing their fair share or more? Just because someone is doing 5k+ DPS and they are only doing 3k+ DPS doesn't mean they should be shamed or made felt like they are being carried, not if the fight only requires a personal DPS of ~2k. (The numbers are figurative, the situation is my driving point.)

[akaneakki]

Just because someone is doing 5k+ DPS and they are only doing 3k+ DPS doesn't mean they should be shamed or made felt like they are being carried, not if the fight only requires a personal DPS of ~2k. (The numbers are figurative, the situation is my driving point.)

That's true. I dont think or ever should let people have the shame on them for doing 3k vs 5k. I mean if a fight reuqires dps to be around 4.8k each and one is doing about 3k, this is counted without great tank and healer dps, the person is lacking the damage it's an issue. However, i feel many people needs to be guided for damage and ofc like someone said already, even if a parser do happens, doesn't mean that a person will actually use it correct and then get better at dpsing. They must be first willing to try get better, which I think many don't do at all, in my honest opinion. But I do think if they do see how ''low'' or ''bad'' they do, they might be feeling shame and try to get better. In worse scenario they might feel so bad and not be encouraged to try anymore.

[Ilan]

Wait... What?! There are third party programs which tell you about upcoming mechanics? o.o
Probably explains a lot! (Like simultanous mechanics happening more and more. Way easier to do your job if you dont need to think about mechanics...)

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ACT can do that.