Built-in Parsers

[DeaconMoore]

This has already been answered multiple times in this thread (first time on page 2 and latest time only 2 pages ago with my settings... so maybe consider reading a bit of the thread before replying to it? ): because your DPS in a dummy fight is a completely different thing from your DPS in a specific fight with specific mechanics. A person may do perfect dummy DPS rotation and still fail a DPS check on their part in a fight. First of all, because you should be adjusting your rotation for each fight, secondly because it's a different thing to perform a rotation when you have nothing else to think about and performing a rotation when you also need to handle mechanics, and thirdly because you need to adjust your rotation to things like buffs from other players. I'm sure these are not the only differences between the two, but they were the ones first coming to my mind.

So you don't want the parser to perfect your output you want it to know which classes to favor for particular fights?

[Taika]

So you don't want the parser to perfect your output you want it to know which classes to favor for particular fights?

I'm sorry but WHAT? How exactly did you get that out of what I said? I didn't say anything at all that would (should) give that impression! What I said was, a parser must be used during the actual fights so that it will be any use for improving one's performance during that fight - and dummy is not of much use for that.

Also, parsers have been used for the whole time this game has been out and it has never lead to discriminating specific jobs from specific fights (meaning situations where DRGs would not be accepted in OS4, for example, please correct me if I'm wrong). Of course it has shown if a certain job has been in general weaker than others, but SE has been pretty good with balancing. Right now all endgame content is heavily parsed and no jobs are shut out from any content. So where exactly does this speculation of yours come from?

[DeaconMoore]

I'm sorry but WHAT? How exactly did you get that out of what I said? I didn't say anything at all that would (should) give that impression! What I said was, a parser must be used during the actual fights so that it will be any use for improving one's performance during that fight - and dummy is not of much use for that.

because your DPS in a dummy fight is a completely different thing from your DPS in a specific fight with specific mechanics. A person may do perfect dummy DPS rotation and still fail a DPS check on their part in a fight.

If your interest is improving your output you can use a training dummy to train yourself for specific fights. The fights are scripted events. Watch a video of the fight and adjust yourself for the mechanics as they come up. It's really not that hard to do. And you can do it with your static to account for the buffs and not worry about rage quits, drama, or exhaustion from multiple wipes.

The only reason you'd use a parser in the actual fight is to point the finger at someone when it goes wrong.

[Rawrz]

TFW you poll thread gets shut down, deleted, and you get punished and yet other threads seem to survive. xD

Even google cache lost the thread now. ;_;

[MoroMurasaki]

TFW you poll thread gets shut down, deleted, and you get punished and yet other threads seem to survive. xD

Even google cache lost the thread now. ;_;

Holy crap your facebook notifications, I suddenly feel like unpopulae garbage ;-;

In terms of parsers yes please OMG I want them so much!!!
But seriously I just want to be able to parse myself. I play on a PS4 and I have to go crawling to my friends to parse me on a dummy so I can try to figure out what I'm doing wrong on SMN and SAM.

I honestly feel the lack of an available parser for me is a huge part of why I don't like to play DPS or, to a lesser extent, tanks. I know as a healer my damage is extra and that takes a bit of the pressure off then it's also basically keeping DoTs up and nuking appropriately which is something with very little variation.

SMN at 70 is... not that. I enjoy it, really, but just being able to see where I'm flubbing something (or even where I'm doing well) would be such a big confidence booster for me.

I understand SE had no hand in making the parsers available to PC players but at thid point I feel like they are both aware of them and actively turning a blind eye to them. This is giving PC players an undeniable advantage I can't compete with on PS4. If they're going to be so lax in their policing of parser use (virtually every youtuber I watch has one up at some point) the least they could do is level the playing field.

For the record I am not against their "dont ask dont tell" parser rule as it is now, I'm thankful that at least some people get access to this, but it really sucks that I would have to drop 1k on a computer to also have that ability.

[Ayer2015]

Given how toxic our community has gotten about player capability, adding legitimate parsers would be a bad idea.

[Nightroad]

Chasing those high dps numbers can be addictive.
There are a few tanks who almost died or did die, i can not remember, when i was trying to get one more holy / stone(x) in.
But seeing oneself out dpsing the damage dealers in certain situations was priceless.

So yes to an inbuilt paraser.

[Krotoan]

The argument for:
It's useful for true min/max tweaking of DPS and raid progression
it helps find the actual weak links/spots in a group so they can be fixed.

Against: People are jerks and WILL use it to exclude/abuse people if they're not measuring up to their standards (even if they are doing adequately).



AAAAND like many MANY laws and regulations out there, this restriction is in place for those precious few who can't play nicely. ^ This is why we can't have nice things people. Cause people are going to be jerkwads about it. Not many, probably not you. But people are going to.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The argument for:
It's useful for true min/max tweaking of DPS and raid progression
it helps find the actual weak links/spots in a group so they can be fixed.

Against: People are jerks and WILL use it to exclude/abuse people if they're not measuring up to their standards (even if they are doing adequately).



AAAAND like many MANY laws and regulations out there, this restriction is in place for those precious few who can't play nicely. ^ This is why we can't have nice things people. Cause people are going to be jerkwads about it. Not many, probably not you. But people are going to.

And yet again, people who are jerks can be reported. They don't need a parse nor will it make any impact. You can set up a PF right now and kick someone without a single word. They may know it's because you were running a parse but since they have no proof, nothing will happen.

[Taika]

The argument for:
It's useful for true min/max tweaking of DPS and raid progression
it helps find the actual weak links/spots in a group so they can be fixed.

Against: People are jerks and WILL use it to exclude/abuse people if they're not measuring up to their standards (even if they are doing adequately).

AAAAND like many MANY laws and regulations out there, this restriction is in place for those precious few who can't play nicely. ^ This is why we can't have nice things people. Cause people are going to be jerkwads about it. Not many, probably not you. But people are going to.

But people have the right to exclude whomever they want from their group, don't they? And they already do! There already are "high DPS or kick" party finder groups, and people will get kicked if they don't perform to a group's standards - no matter how silly those standards are. All an official parser would change is to make the process transparent: if you get kicked, you will know how you were doing, instead of being left to wonder (if you don't have access to a parser).

What an official parser wouldn't do is allow being a jerk: harassment would still be a reportable offense. So this argument doesn't really make any sense.