Stop calling it a beta

[Jynx]

Can I ask the real question...

Beta, Overhaul, Redesign, Carpet bombing of the current design, Alpha, Charly, Tango Version, Piece of crap, doo doo.

Does it really matter either way? We all know that we are currently paying (A discounted rate) For a unfinished game, retail or not the game is still missing core aspects and even the developers have acknowledged that. So does the term people coing for the state of the game really matter at all in the long run? Nope.

[Sephrick]

We're testing 2.0? How do I not know this? Holy shit...YOU MEAN I COULD HAVE CHANGED MY APPEARANCE ALREADY? I COULD HAVE BEEN SCALING THE CRYSTAL TOWER?

I didn't get an email to beta test 2.0 ; ;



That's called an overhaul in software design fyi.

They're putting it in one piece at a time. Like the new stat attributes. The class action changes. Jobs. The new party mechanics.

They're adding what they can till the release of 2.0.

And people call 1.x a "beta" not in a literal sense. It's meant to be sarcastic.

[Elexia]

According to Jennista we aren't allowed access to all the content in a beta. /pow pow

I'm still mad I missed the memo that we're beta testing 2.0 and I could have been reliving FFIII memories.

Can I ask the real question...

Beta, Overhaul, Redesign, Carpet bombing of the current design, Alpha, Charly, Tango Version, Piece of crap, doo doo.

Does it really matter either way? We all know that we are currently paying (A discounted rate) For a unfinished game, retail or not the game is still missing core aspects and even the developers have acknowledged that. So does the term people coing for the state of the game really matter at all in the long run? Nope.

In the long run it doesn't matter, though using wrong terminology can be irksome because there is very much differences at times lol, much like people get antsy when you consider Miley Cyrus good country music.

[Picoman]

For all those calling it a beta, what part of 2.0 are we beta testing exactly?

[Elexia]

For all those calling it a beta, what part of 2.0 are we beta testing exactly?

^ still mad I missed the memo....Maybe I wanted to see the new graphical engine in play, SE!

[Sephrick]

For all those calling it a beta, what part of 2.0 are we beta testing exactly?

Battle mechanics, stat effects, class actions, jobs in 1.21, the action house/market wards hybrid situation, self combos. Everything they've been adding and will add in 1.21-1.23 won't come to full realization until 2.0.

That's why the game has changed so drastically with each patch.

And again, people aren't literally calling it a beta, they're just being smartaleks because of how easily this all can be percieved as beta.

Personally, given what SE currently is working on. I'd call it Alpha.

To each their own.

[Platinumstorm]

No matter what the community thinks or considers, this game is not a beta. It is now a retail game, that is 100% as complete as other games. It will be upgraded later yes, but all MMO's are continually upgraded. The game developers believe it deserves to be paid for, if you do too, then pay. If not, then don't.

Don't expect extra compensation because you are somehow "altruistic" enough to pay for an incomplete game, because you are not. At this point its just like any other. They are providing you a service, you pay for it. It's selfish to think you deserve an extra prize greater than what you would get with a different game.

Seriously do you storm into gamestop and claim that because you didn't like the game you bought you want a free strategy guide or something?

You're sort of right, it probably shouldn't be referred to as a beta; maybe alpha. Alpha tests undergo major revisions to core systems, just like FFXIV does. The 2.0 "free trial PC period" that just happens to overlap with the "PS3 beta", can't imagine why they decided to call that a "free trial period," perhaps not to piss off people who would take offense to it actually being called a beta.

[viion]

For all those calling it a beta, what part of 2.0 are we beta testing exactly?

You see the microbar that was in 2.0 screenshot and now introduced into 1.20, you're testing that. All the skill changes you've seen, you're testing those. In 1.21 you'll be testing Jobs which is in 2.0.

Wooo!

I count it as a Beta because its not "complete" to me, with so many overhauls and scrapping of so much, most games dont do this, they just tweak or bug fix, but not complete overhauls (eg: SWTOR lol)

[Kafeen]

Betas are games with none of their completed feature implemented

Actually, betas are games with all of their features implemented when all that's left are bug fixes, balancing issues and other minor tweaks.

MMO's undergo larger changes than most games post-release though in order to keep the attention of their players.

You don't see WoW players calling everything pre-Cataclysm a paid beta. FFXIV was just forced into major changes earlier than most.

[Elexia]

Actually, betas are games with all of their features implemented when all that's left are bug fixes, balancing issues and other minor tweaks.

MMO's undergo larger changes than most games post-release though in order to keep the attention of their players.

You don't see WoW players calling everything pre-Cataclysm a paid beta. FFXIV was just forced into major changes earlier than most.

Haven't betas been more of a demo lately though? Basically just a glorified way of saying "Here's a early access period, but if it's shitty we'll call it a beta to cover our asses."

Like battlefield 3 'beta' lol. "All features implemented" are what demos are, betas usually lack quite a bit because it's the phase before the polished release since they release it to test the major functions because you can always hotfix smaller things later based on internal QA testing that happens after beta. (Post launch patch.)