Stop calling it a beta

[Jennestia]

I love how you said testing things. Cause that is totally not what SE is doing right now, changing things around, putting out one patch, seeing it did not go over so well with the community and changing it again to please people, yup, totally not a BETA!

*grabs popcorn*

It's not what SE is doing right now, because betas are testing features before release that they've already had completed to make sure it worked.

Overhauling a game is redoing the foundation. Things didn't go over well because the game was rushed out and a lot of things weren't even designed to be implemented, betas have the systems in place and just testing before releasing.

What's being tested now? Nothing -- What they implemented is what they wanted to implement for the update, they aren't "testing" anything, if people keep complaining about stuff and SE keeps changing it, it's because they're changing it based on feedback for the next update.

[Sephrick]

It's not what SE is doing right now, because betas are testing features before release that they've already had completed to make sure it worked.

Overhauling a game is redoing the foundation. Things didn't go over well because the game was rushed out and a lot of things weren't even designed to be implemented, betas have the systems in place and just testing before releasing.

What's being tested now? Nothing -- What they implemented is what they wanted to implement for the update, they aren't "testing" anything, if people keep complaining about stuff and SE keeps changing it, it's because they're changing it based on feedback for the next update.

They're not overhauling the game. They completely redesigning it. They're testing server structure and the new 2.0 engine. The foundations of any game. By the time 2.0 comes out this will be a whole new game with only a storyline left over.

[Kafeen]

Betas are games with none of their completed feature implemented

Actually, betas are games with all of their features implemented when all that's left are bug fixes, balancing issues and other minor tweaks.

MMO's undergo larger changes than most games post-release though in order to keep the attention of their players.

You don't see WoW players calling everything pre-Cataclysm a paid beta. FFXIV was just forced into major changes earlier than most.

[Elexia]

Actually, betas are games with all of their features implemented when all that's left are bug fixes, balancing issues and other minor tweaks.

MMO's undergo larger changes than most games post-release though in order to keep the attention of their players.

You don't see WoW players calling everything pre-Cataclysm a paid beta. FFXIV was just forced into major changes earlier than most.

Haven't betas been more of a demo lately though? Basically just a glorified way of saying "Here's a early access period, but if it's shitty we'll call it a beta to cover our asses."

Like battlefield 3 'beta' lol. "All features implemented" are what demos are, betas usually lack quite a bit because it's the phase before the polished release since they release it to test the major functions because you can always hotfix smaller things later based on internal QA testing that happens after beta. (Post launch patch.)

[viion]

Haven't betas been more of a demo lately though? Basically just a glorified way of saying "Here's a early access period, but if it's shitty we'll call it a beta to cover our asses."

I can agree with this, I dont think I've been in a beta that had restricted access (maybe restricted level cap) in the past couple years...

Infact I think XIV is the only beta i've been in that changed dramatically, this was closed beta, open beta is pretty much same as what we had at retail, no change at all lol.

[Jinko]

Haven't betas been more of a demo lately though? Basically just a glorified way of saying "Here's a early access period, but if it's shitty we'll call it a beta to cover our asses."

This, betas these days are basically server stress testing and small minor bug testing.

This games original Beta was more like an Alpha anyway, I'm sure people who got into phase one can remember just how lacking it was.

[Answa]

Um lol..

This game in it's current state is not exactly beta per se.. but.. the differences from beta and the game at launch were um.. non-existant iirc. Besides, who cares about symantics?

People who know how to spell.

[Tahldon]

I can agree with this sentiment.

Frankly put, I've always thought of Version 2.0 as an expansion to the normal game. I mean, we're getting an exclusive story-line, updates, and extra content (despite how much some of you might oppose this), so there is an actual game we're playing here.

I agree with the OP, we're past the beta phase already. The game is still receiving amendments for the better with feedback from us, but it's an actual game now rather than the beta, however jokingly some of you may feel it should be labeled.

[Arcell]

The game is not yet in a finished state, it's still undergoing some pretty drastic changes. Maybe with 1.21 when jobs are implemented and all the recipe revisions are done (hopefully), then it can be considered in a launch state. Even then our LS system still doesn't have proper administration options. The game is mostly finished but not quite there just yet. I'm looking at 2.0 as more of a gigantic expansion.

[DNO]

i would sorta agree but version 2.0 is clearly the real game as most of the things now is gonna get cut. Like primal battles and other things.

Its a beta/full game then? Also if its a real full game we would not have gotten a discount of the fee.