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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhais View Post
    What happened to the actual point of this thread? I've just read through page after page discussing the merits or lack thereof of creating content of this nature, but very little on the question posed in the original post. So how is ultimate?
    It's really fun. It brings me back to prog raiding in midas-long burn of months-long progression, rather than clearing o1s-o3s week one and o4s week 4. Twintania feels like the hardest faust ever, and nael is just mean. Can't wait for bahamut to flatten my face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ameela View Post
    And there's nothing wrong with that.
    The reason games like Dark Souls, Devil May Cry and Cuphead (for a more recent example) are popular is because people like the challenge those games provide.

    It doesn't need to be useful, you might only play the game for gearing up and progressing but there are others who actually just like playing for fun, and if it takes fights like Unending Coil for that then who are you to take that away from them?
    | I'm just happy you put Devil May Cry there. I cried. As someone who beat the hard Devil may cry 3 before Capcom nerfed it with the easy mode edition makes me happy you remembered the series Thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    Also, please...the actual asset creation is the smallest part of creating a fight. The length of development is about balancing the fight as it is played, to prevent bugs, people cheating, the fight breaking the servers due to memory leaks, the fight actually being within human reflex time and capabilities, the time it took to think of and layout the attacks they wanted, and to conceive of the level of difficulty in terms of game mechanics. They didn't give this to an intern and told him to make a hard fight, which he coded in a weekend. Stuff like this is the experimental content they talked about when they reduced the amount of dungeons we'd get in a patch cycle, and even the experimental content they do give is sparse.
    Speaking as someone that has actually seen how the development process worked for a different MMO...

    Asset creation is NOT the smallest part of creating a fight, what the actual hell are you smoking? You can't even begin balancing until you create the assets in the first place, and that you're sure the assets clearly convey to the player exactly what's going on in the first place. If there's any confusion on that front, it's back to the drawing board, and that's likely something that will take longer than a single weekend. Anyone can contribute to the balancing process, but few have the skills to create said assets. And considering that Ultimate is pretty much entirely recycled assets aside from new music at the final phase, the only thing the asset creators would have done is to oversee that the assets are combined in a way that isn't graphically confusing to players.

    Did everyone suddenly forget that the devs at one point admitted that it took approximately 5-6 months for them to plan out the design of equipment in this game? Now imagine the work it takes for everything else. Calling asset creation the smallest part of ANYTHING is insulting.

    Freaking Hidden Canals probably required more new assets than Ultimate, but I don't hear anyone blaming a completely unnecessary second RNG loot box (when modifying the first would have been perfectly fine) for the lack of content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    It's a total waste of resources. There aren't even that many people streaming it, and people are mostly just talking about it because the game right now has no real content for anyone to do that isn't the same as they have been doing since HW. Already the talking is dying down a bit as people are getting tired of streams that involve wiping to three minute phase mechanics, and soon the non world-firsters probably are going to give up for sanity's sake.

    It's not puggable at all,which is a lot of what made creator and omega have any long term play value, and there's no gear upgrades to make it more farmable, so there's going to be a lot less incentive to keep doing it over time. It's not something people are going to grow into doing, or be reused later on for any content even unsynced.

    This will end up worse than 1v1 pvp for long term usefulness.
    So much truth in this post hah
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    I disagree, a lot of people aren't doing Ultimate because they are waiting for people to clear it, to see if it's possible. There are those who have time to grind it out and try and others who will try once the guide/methods of completion have been shown.

    Basing the success of "Ultimate" content from not even a week of being live is a bit of a leap in assumptions to make. If you honestly want to know the success of Ultimate you should be looking at it a month from now, not 5 days later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airget View Post
    I disagree, a lot of people aren't doing Ultimate because they are waiting for people to clear it, to see if it's possible. There are those who have time to grind it out and try and others who will try once the guide/methods of completion have been shown.

    Basing the success of "Ultimate" content from not even a week of being live is a bit of a leap in assumptions to make. If you honestly want to know the success of Ultimate you should be looking at it a month from now, not 5 days later.
    Thats not the point , if i have 1000 people at a party and I only have coke, but yet 10 people want pepsi Im not gona go out of my way to go get them peps they can leave if they dont wont coke product.

    Thats what ultimate is those ten people that wont pepsi and they pretend like they are an overwhelming majority in reality they arent. But yet the devs accommodated them anyway, oh well doesnt mean that this will not die just as quickly as any other raid when level cap goes up. So anything they bring out from here on out that isnt ultimate needs to be just as good as ultimate is for these small majority of people thats pretty much like taking a microscope and looking for atoms they are so small.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    Thats not the point , if i have 1000 people at a party and I only have coke, but yet 10 people want pepsi Im not gona go out of my way to go get them peps they can leave if they dont wont coke product.
    FFXIV isn't "your" party.

    FFXIV is a party hosted by SE and you simply buy a ticket in order to continuously attend it.

    Your example would be like you walking in and they have 90 cans of pepsi which is your favourite drink and like 10 cans of coke for those who like coke and then you go complain that the 10 coke cans are there for people who like coke lol

    If you are going to complain and rage that there is 10 coke cans when there is 90 cans of pepsi for you to have instead then simply stop buying the ticket to the party.
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    I bet the people claiming that Ultimate is a waste of resources are the same people who think that verminion is content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CorbinDallas View Post
    I bet the people claiming that Ultimate is a waste of resources are the same people who think that verminion is content.
    Nope I honestly dont even know what it is at all dont waste time in the gold saucer for mini games. So that would be in incorrect assessment, I dont even know what lords of verminion is aside from what people discuss about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    Nope I honestly dont even know what it is at all dont waste time in the gold saucer for mini games. So that would be in incorrect assessment, I dont even know what lords of verminion is aside from what people discuss about it
    And that pretty much sums up everything you've said so far. You keep clinging to the same argument despite all the counter-arguments made against it, and it still has no feasible proof of being fact. Why are you still going on about it here? I, too, am beginning to smell a troll...
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