How's Ultimate?

[bswpayton]

I couldn't care less if the game gets easier or harder if devs say to go with your suggestion. What your suggestion is saying is to nix content that the majority don't use. What if something you like is nixed because people don't use it

All Im sayin is we where promised more content , and instead we got the same laid out package in 4.1, I just dont like being lied to Im sure others dont either. This whole expansion can be predicted for the most part, instead of makin stuff like this why not get a little more creative. This was just a cop-out and everything else followed the same pattern of 3.1 and I wasnt even playing the game then. They could of left ultimate off the patch notes and any description of it and most players of the game wouldnt of even noticed it was missing because thats how niche it is.

[NanaWiloh]

Sadly the world of gaming has become full of greed and entitlement. Give hardcore players a piece of content and casual players go off like the world is going to end. There is more then enough raid content for casual raiders to enjoy let the hardcore raiders enjoy Ultimate. Cause news Flash Neo Exdeath is exclusive to Savage so if your not raiding savage your cut off from that piece of content as well!!!

[Vaer]

All Im sayin is we where promised more content , and instead we got the same laid out package in 4.1, I just dont like being lied to Im sure others dont either. This whole expansion can be predicted for the most part, instead of makin stuff like this why not get a little more creative. This was just a cop-out and everything else followed the same pattern of 3.1 and I wasnt even playing the game then. They could of left ultimate off the patch notes and any description of it and most players of the game wouldnt of even noticed it was missing because thats how niche it is.

You fell for the hype. Don't fall for the hype next time. Game has been like this since forever, they just shuffle a bunch of things around. Yes, even HW was mostly a copy of ARR.

[bswpayton]

You fell for the hype. Don't fall for the hype next time. Game has been like this since forever, they just shuffle a bunch of things around. Yes, even HW was mostly a copy of ARR.

I see that thank you dude your about one of the most level headed people on these forums, I def wont make that mistake again.

[KaivaC]

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Alright...I think I'm fully caught up. I hope. This was the first patch in the cycle...maybe the dev team does have more content coming, it just isn't available yet. We don't know what the devs have up their sleeve and to say that you are being lied to this early in the patch cycle is extremely premature at best. We only know about Eureka and probably Anata beast tribe quests in 4.2. We don't know what's in 4.3 or 4.4, or 4.5 if that is coming. As far as your thoughts on Ultimate, I still don't see what the issue is. Why is it such an issue that the hardcore players get ONE raid catered specifically for them. They've been asking for hard content for a long time. So what's the problem?

[Moomba33]

I can understand the argument on not spending development time on content few people will enjoy. Every piece of new content is a gamble. How many resources should be spent on it? How many players will actually make use of it?

The much maligned Lords of Verminion is a good example of this. Players reacted positively to an April Fools joke about minion battles so I'm sure the devs thought an actual minion battle game would be popular. Unfortunately the mode flopped. It also still costs a little dev time each and every patch since every minion added to the game must be given stats and an ability for LoV.

Ultimate Coil on the other hand seems to have paid off so far. Many hardcore raiders that would otherwise have nothing to do for 3 months are progressing on it and the community in general is enjoying spectating another World First race. It's quite possible that the content will be forgotten in a month after the hard core have cleared and the mid core have given up. On the other hand it's possible it will live on as a challenge for raiders to attempt in the months between regular raid tiers to improve themselves.

A lot of the negativity likely stems from players feeling like this patch was light on new content for them. I admit, I'm in this camp as well. I enjoy the usual updates (story, 24 man, beast tribes, ect) but the more experimental content doesn't appeal to me. I'll never attempt Ultimate Coil. I'll never use the bard perform action. I likely won't touch Rival Wings (unless you can get a mount that plays Exponential Entropy from it >.>).
Even so, that doesn't mean the additions aren't good for the community as a whole. As we see here many are enjoying challenging or watching others challenge Ultimate Coil, maybe some roleplayers will get use out of Perform, maybe Rival Wings will be a hit for PVP fans.

At the end of the day a MMO community is a collection of minority interests. I'm sure lots of players don't care about things I like such as collecting TT cards so I do support the devs trying to develop content for a lot of different players.
I just wish Eureka hadn't been delayed so there would be a new addition to the more casual endgame as well.

[bswpayton]

Alright...I think I'm fully caught up. I hope. This was the first patch in the cycle...maybe the dev team does have more content coming, it just isn't available yet. We don't know what the devs have up their sleeve and to say that you are being lied to this early in the patch cycle is extremely premature at bes

Every one keeps sayin because so many people wanted it, if you look on floggs like I mention earlier in this thread the drop off from v1s to neo exdeath is pretty huge. By several thousand, this is harder than neo exdeath could be hardest raid in the game thus far who knows.
So just based on numbers for what reason was this implemented, I even went as far back to go and look at an old census its not 100 percent proof of course
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...translated.jpg
But the hardest to tiers have the least clears of course and the numbers are pretty poor.
The highest clear rates is creator but thats when all these so called hard core people claim content got watered down and easy. But as a company why would a company want less access to their content and want fewer people completing it. So its really more so not that I dislike ultimate, I dislike the patch its more so comments from others in the forums claiming so many people wanted this when in reality most people arent even done with omega. And out of those whom have cleared neo exdeath its not even enough to really be considered alot of people so my argument really is with those whom are inflating numbers and using words like alot and so many and us hardcore like its just a ton of people like that.

And we dont need SE listening to people like this one this is subjective and thats difficulty, instead of listening to people SE should go based off of what is best of the game and thats stuff like creator, omega, not gordias whoever u spell it and stuff like ultimate where most people barely even stand a chance.

[KaivaC]

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In the context of Ultimate, I am referring to the hardcores as those currently in the world race. Yes, this patch was pretty empty. But it's one patch. There's no need for folks to be all up in arms for content that is clearly catered towards hardcore players who wanted a challenge. Sometimes those guys have to be pleased too, because, as seen from the world race, it's fair to say that it's something that hasn't flopped or failed. If 4.2 is as bare as 4.1, then yeah, by all means, go ahead and start making some noise about this. Let the hardcores have their hard content, and those among us who will not or cannot do Ultimate, just be patient until February. Like I said before, nobody knows what exactly 4.2 is bringing just yet, aside from Eureka and Anata.

[Elixirboy]

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I'm wondering what would happen if you took all of the time you spend on the OF and actually played the game.

[whiskeybravo]

But as a company why would a company want less access to their content and want fewer people completing it. .

Are you really that dense?

They eased up on "savage" difficulty to appease the larger playerbase.

They then added a special hardcore fight to appease the hardcore crowd.

instead of listening to people SE should go based off of what is best of the game

They did exactly what you suggest, in fact, by changing core content around what's popular and adding a separate challenge for those who want something more difficult.