How's Ultimate?

[KarstenS]

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You should see my comments within the context I write it. That includes to know the fights I do compare with.

Lets see some Numbers. If I would break it down, I woud need to compare Phases 1 AND 2 of A8S to meet the Twintania Phase of Ultimate Coil. But I will just take Phase 1.

Onslaughter (Phase 1 of 8 in A8S)

8 different Mechanics. Enrage if group DPS is to low.

1 of them is an individual DPS check for 4 players (help by others not possible).
2 together of them needs a high awareness, as you have just 1 or 2 seconds to discover the order people have to team up 5 times for playing it correctly and you have a very limited time to finish it.

-> Both of them will trigger a hard enrage instantly if just 1 person fails on it (you can fail them in multiple ways).

Twintania (1 of 3 [or maybe 4] in Ultimate Coil)

5 different mechanics. Enrage if group DPS is to low.

No individual DPS check. No fire prison, no Adds.
No high awareness mechanic similar to legislation in A8S.
No enrage trigger by mechanic failure.

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Maybe the curve is going far more up than ever before within one fight.

But just comparing Twintania progression with progression in earlier "real" savage content,
this one starts not at a level I did expect. <- That is what I'm saying. Not more and not less.

[Magic-Mal]

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You wrote an awful lot for a small poke at you :x

I don't know anything about A8S, Midas or even past O2S.

[KaivaC]

earlier "real" savage content.

Probably just opened up the floodgate with this line...

I haven't done the Alex Savage yet - I'm something of a late bloomer, coming in as 3.56 came out. But with that said, considering that in addition to mechanics, you essentially have a 3 minute enrage timer, something that a lot of groups in the world race have not been able to do consistently 24 hours after the content dropped, slower progress doesn't necessarily mean anything in this context. It's a different type of fight. For one, with A8S, the groups doing them at the time had to figure out all the different mechanics and rules, whereas here, you already know the mechanics, they just hit harder, work differently, and are far more intense than before.