How's Ultimate?

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thy are always called out for being to casual are not being challenging enough but that game makes more than this one and have streamers. You again are exaggerating how important these people are , or assuming they would just say oh I dont know I dont wana make money off this game anymore let me go do something else.

Citation needed. You really need to start making up your absolution claims, sweetheart. Regardless, of the three people I named, only one of them streams with any regularity. Most high end raiders who jump into PF or make job guides aren't streamers. Dervy did the vast majority of stat weights for HW yet he got paid next to nothing for his efforts. He did it to help the community.

thats just not what brings people to the game there is no data supporting that argument none at all.

Actually, I do. If you look at the speedkill scene, it's practically dead. Why? The hardcore raiders are bored. Don't just take my word for it, listen to Mogtalk where said raiders talk about it. Now before you go on claiming they don't represent a majority, I am well aware of that, but you're delusional if you don't think they impact the community overall. One of the primary reasons Gilgamesh grew into a mega server was due to Elysium's presence and it once being considered the "raid server." You can deny the trickle down effect all you fancy, but when you keep making this idiotic argument below...

The question is simple if the game scrapped ultimate and brought something else out that more people had access to and actually liked that was challenging enough. Then just based on numbers alone more people would be happy as opposed to the small amount thats all excited about ultimate.

For the last time, Ultimate uses recycled assets. How many times and how many people need to hammer that into your head? If they scrap Ultimate tomorrow, you get nothing. There wouldn't be new raids, new dungeons, Eureka or anything because Ultimate required minimalistic resources. This deluded notion Ultimate somehow detracted from the casual playerbase is... just that, delusional. The only one exaggerating here is you.