How's Ultimate?

[bswpayton]

It's good to hear that Ultimate Coils is giving people such a

Because thats profitable right , Im not for faceroll content either but again having content that only a few thosand people can clear maybe even hundred isnt feasible. But everyone in this thread is just on cloud nine with nostalgia instead of logic so, even happy brought forth the question was it worth it and said yea sure for the truely hardcore that are bias. What really matters at the end of the day is how cheap this fight was hopefully it was extremely cheap to implement if not then it is certainly a waste of resources. But i trust the devs sayin its just rehashed stuff.

[Ilan]

Because thats profitable right , Im not for faceroll content either but again having content that only a few thosand people can clear maybe even hundred isnt feasible. But everyone in this thread is just on cloud nine with nostalgia instead of logic so, even happy brought forth the question was it worth it and said yea sure for the truely hardcore that are bias. What really matters at the end of the day is how cheap this fight was hopefully it was extremely cheap to implement if not then it is certainly a waste of resources. But i trust the devs sayin its just rehashed stuff.

These few thousand players are also a source of money so they want to please them too. But hey why do i explain it when people like you only think that they count?

[whiskeybravo]

What really matters at the end of the day is how cheap this fight was hopefully it was extremely cheap to implement if not then it is certainly a waste of resources.

In your opinion.. That is.

Logic says it keeps people playing the game. Did we really lose out on another piece of content because of Ultimate? We got a new trial, we got a new dungeon, we got a new 24-man, we got non-battle related stuff.. What else would we have got if not Ultimate? Anything?

I'd rather have the opinion all that really matters is whether the players this fight was made for think it was a worthy challenge. Will they say it was a waste of dev time & resources? There's certainly a segment of the raiding community that might otherwise have just disappeared until the next raid cycle if it weren't for Ultimate. Another point, it's not a given that beating o4s means you can beat Ultimate, so while maybe only a few hundred or few thousand people will ultimately kill Ultimate, it's something to keep the other thousands of raiders logging in just to try (or watch other people try).

Finally, I personally would much rather have a separate "ultra-hardcore" raid for that crowd than the ultra-hardcore tier of crap that was Gordias. There's really no reason to be opposed to the current structure, it's gives the majority playerbase a fun challenge without all the cancer, and satiates the hardcore's appetite for difficult content. I'd say it's a win-win, but it's really more like a compromise between people that think the devs should only make content for everybody, and raiders who simply want more challenging content. The former need to accept a small amount of resources going in to hardcore content, while the smaller group of hardcore raiders need to accept that the majority of raiding content will be tuned for the raiding masses instead of themselves.

[bswpayton]

These few thousand players are also a source of money so they want to please them too. But hey why do i explain it when people like you only think that they count?

10,000 times 12-15 is far less than 400,000 times 12-15 dollars a month but ok, and thats even if 10 thousand players clear it which I doubt as well

[Enjuden]

10,000 times 12-15 is far less than 400,000 times 12-15 dollars a month but ok

Yea, that's a great idea, let's just nix whatever isn't popular. I'm sure that will keep subs longer than a month. Let's not bother including content people might at least try. Oh no, that'd be giving players a chance and devs ideas for new content, we can't have that.

Maybe we can even go the hyperbole route and say that anything less than 40% used should be nixed right here and now. Like let's say, all those side quests that don't unlock anything, or Coerthas, or Mor Dhona for instance. Those aren't used anymore. Let's throw that away. We can go ahead and throw away all of Ishgard too, and just skip Heavensward.

[Niraves]

Boy am I glad I'm just a casual scrub. Ultimate looks like an absolute nightmare from the little clips I've seen of the fight.

Good luck to those of you trying to clear it. XD

[bswpayton]

Yea, that's a great idea, let's just nix whatever isn't popular. I'm sure that will keep subs longer than a month. Let's not bother including content people might at least try. Oh no, that'd be giving players a chance and devs ideas for .

The fact is we already had raids , we could have even more raids on the same difficulty as what we have now eight instead of 4 theres no rule to this. But instead we get something half the raiders of this game cant even do for the small percent of a very already small percent of players. Instead of one new fight could of had more that alot more people could of done, instead of such a small percent. Nobody is sayin make the game super easy, but makin a fight most raiders cant even do anyway is just pointless regardless of if its cool are not. And all that stuff you mention is already in the game it wasnt just introduced into this patch, this was just a cheap way to create the illusion of change.

[LaylaTsarra]

Boy am I glad I'm just a casual scrub. Ultimate looks like an absolute nightmare from the little clips I've seen of the fight.

Good luck to those of you trying to clear it. XD

It looks pretty awesome and it has many raiders excited. I'm happy for them. The rewards are special too and many will work hard to get those.

[Enjuden]

The fact is we already had raids , we could have even more raids on the same difficulty as what we have now eight instead of 4 theres no rule to this. But instead we get something half the raiders of this game cant even do for the small percent of a very already small percent of players. Instead of one new fight could of had more that alot more people could of done, instead of such a small percent. Nobody is sayin make the game super easy, but makin a fight most raiders cant even do anyway is just pointless regardless of if its cool are not. And all that stuff you mention is already in the game it wasnt just introduced into this patch, this was just a cheap way to create the illusion of change.

I couldn't care less if the game gets easier or harder if devs say to go with your suggestion. What your suggestion is saying is to nix content that the majority don't use. What if something you like is nixed because people don't use it anymore? Opinions on popularity shift a lot more than you might understand, and there will be a time where it will work against you, in bigger ways than people want to imagine.

And yea, there is a rule. It's called work load, reality, and time constraints. You can't expect four, or eight fights in this short amount of time. That's ludicrous. I mean, if you don't think so, I'd want to have you create eight fights to keep people occupied for three months in let's say..two weeks, with an engine you're comfortable with. Oh, and it has to work so that it's balanced between casual and midcore players of that game, and that there isn't any outgoing bugs that will make or break certain parts of that game, or make it unbeatable unless you break the game in order to break the unbeatable boss. I'm sure that will be reasonable by the standards you're asking.

[KaivaC]

The fact is we already had raids , we could have even more raids on the same difficulty as what we have now eight instead of 4 theres no rule to this. But instead we get something half the raiders of this game cant even do for the small percent of a very already small percent of players. Instead of one new fight could of had more that alot more people could of done, instead of such a small percent. Nobody is sayin make the game super easy, but makin a fight most raiders cant even do anyway is just pointless regardless of if its cool are not. And all that stuff you mention is already in the game it wasnt just introduced into this patch, this was just a cheap way to create the illusion of change.

What exactly are you complaining about? I feel like I need to read what you issue is. One sec...