How's Ultimate?

[SanyaTsukiko]

but my FC actually has people quitting the raid team for the sake of their mental health. So, when SE talks about clear rewards for Ultimate coil of Bahamut, I find that incredibly optimistic.

If people quit after not even a week of fighting it, they shouldn't even be on a hardcore team. It takes time to get hard things down, and they should love the challenge of it. If they don't, then well....tough luck I guess. I am not raiding hardcore anymore, but if I did, I would love the challenge of it, getting it down bit by bit, improve bit by bit, learn the mechanics properly etc etc. When you finally get it down, if ever, it's gonna be a huge accomplishment in-game.

[Vrankyl]

This fight was asked for. So anyone quitting raid groups over it is quitting over a requested feature. SE warned us about this content and it was even wondered by the devs if anyone would manage to clear it. Nor will there be any actual nerfs aside from bug fixes more than likely.

[Dualblade]

Twintania appears to have been cleared, while Nael appears to be the wall for those groups so far.

[Pondera]

This fight was asked for. So anyone quitting raid groups over it is quitting over a requested feature. SE warned us about this content and it was even wondered by the devs if anyone would manage to clear it. Nor will there be any actual nerfs aside from bug fixes more than likely.

I do not recall asking for this, nor did any of my comrades. I’ve noted in th3 past that there seems to be two kinds of content: trivially easy “expert” grinds and soul crushing despair inducing impossibility. What I would request is a middle ground between the two. My guild made it past savage 2.0, but with 3.0 and Shinryu, we’re starting to splinter. Not great, man.

[basketofseals]

I do not recall asking for this, nor did any of my comrades. I’ve noted in th3 past that there seems to be two kinds of content: trivially easy “expert” grinds and soul crushing despair inducing impossibility. What I would request is a middle ground between the two. My guild made it past savage 2.0, but with 3.0 and Shinryu, we’re starting to splinter. Not great, man.

There will never be a perfect middle. What is easy and what is hard varies immensely from person to person. What we have now is the smoothest curve we've gotten in a while. V1 is slightly easier than a primal, V2 is slightly harder, V3 is a decent challenge, and V4 is rather difficult for most.

[FoxyAreku]

I do not recall asking for this, nor did any of my comrades. I’ve noted in th3 past that there seems to be two kinds of content: trivially easy “expert” grinds and soul crushing despair inducing impossibility. What I would request is a middle ground between the two. My guild made it past savage 2.0, but with 3.0 and Shinryu, we’re starting to splinter. Not great, man.

I hate to be /that guy/, but if you think any of the fights in this game even borderline on impossible, then you (or the group you are running with) simply are not very good at this game, and the content wasn't made for you to begin with.

The only hard fight currently in the game (before ultimate coil) is Exdeath Savage, and that's only because of randomness elements.

[Lambdafish]

The only hard fight currently in the game (before ultimate coil) is Exdeath Savage, and that's only because of randomness elements.

I'd argue the wall for casual - midcore players is O3S, it provides a reasonable challenge and requires some level of focus. This then leads onto O4S and ultimate.

I honestly just wanted to know if it's challenging, fun, and a nice homage to original Coils. That's all.

I can only speak for what I have seen on streams but I am in awe. I did all of coil back when it was current and reliving these mechanics in their super saiyan form is amazing. Put it this way, remember those nael divebombs that everyone struggled with (the one with two dragons), well now there are 5 dragons.

[Hruodig]

I do not recall asking for this, nor did any of my comrades. I’ve noted in th3 past that there seems to be two kinds of content: trivially easy “expert” grinds and soul crushing despair inducing impossibility. What I would request is a middle ground between the two. My guild made it past savage 2.0, but with 3.0 and Shinryu, we’re starting to splinter. Not great, man.

There's plenty of margin for error in omega savage, I've had a clear of 3 savage with 12 deaths, still before enrage. We obviously weren't happy with it, but it's perfectly possible. And to be blunt: if you're having trouble with 3 savage and shinryu, then ultimate savage is strictly not for you.

[Foofy]

Hardcore Raiders mocked how easy content was getting cleared and asked for a challenge.

YoshiP and the Devs gave it.

It is optional content. You are NOT required to do it. This will not make or break your gameplay if you can't clear it. You will still be able to continue on with content after it. Continue the MSQ. Continue to the Next Xpac if you want.

I for one welcome the Salty Tears of our Raiding Overlords.

[loreleidiangelo]

Kinda sad that my simple request for initial impressions and information got perverted into a stereotypical "hardcores vs casuals" slugfest. I honestly just wanted to know if it's challenging, fun, and a nice homage to original Coils. That's all.