How's Ultimate?

[Unaki]

While the title of the series, 'Ultimate', might be new, this really is just another trial with such a high difficulty level that they don't call it savage. It's not mechanically (in terms of how to approach or the loot) different either. In a lot of ways with the collective content of patch 4.1 (.1-.15) it's sort of similar to introducing 2 primals when normally they'd only introduce 1. Personally as someone who can attempt this content but probably will never beat it this is a lot more beneficial to me than say another dungeon. A dungeon is certainly something I can complete but dungeons are rarely interesting content (in part because of design limitations, in part because I prefer 8-man content).

Now whether or not the one dungeon is worth, for example, Rival Wings (which looks fun) or Eureka (I'm suspicious as hell about this) that depends from person to person. If Eureka is good then it might be worth it, if it's not... Well, SE and wonky content go together like PB&J. Honestly if it's fun Rival Wings will be more than worth losing out on a story dungeon.

Right now everything they're doing is far better than the tired and useless 2 dungeon 1 "raid" formula they had. It remains to be seen if people end up continuing to enjoy Ultimate in a couple weeks once clears start becoming regular but so far most of the hardcore players I know think its fine. For anyone that isn't a casual, once you've played about a year you have literally nothing to do in this game except log in for raid, do some crafting and go in and one-shot everything in the current tier. Progression is what drives players with a raiding mentality and if they have 6 months between tiers with roughly 5 of those months being filled with casual sleep inducing content these players don't really have much incentive to remain subbed or log in except for their weekly clear. Having something like Ultimate that can't be solved in a day on the same 6 month odd patch schedule along with the casual content fills in the gap where nothing is happening, making them stay subbed longer.

I personally think Eureka is going to be stupid and quite useless because I have no faith in them doing "instanced" content zones like that thanks to Diadem. The relics, while nice looking, were just absurd grinds for a weapon that's only good at the end of the expansion when it doesn't matter anymore. Now if only they could put actual effort into events and stop making us do stupid FATEs.

[Remedi]

Can't really consider ultimate a trial it's more like a boss rush style encounter tbh

[KageTokage]

I can't help but wonder just how long the fight is meant to be with how much time Bahamut spends being untargetable on top having only a few million less HP then Neo Exdeath.

[Thoosa]

Ultimate probably isn’t for me - sounds like you would need to remember lots of mechanics and have perfect timing :P therefore I respect people who can do it and enjoy the experience

[technole]

Ultimate is fun because it's a remix of the best raid this game was ever graced with all packaged in one trial. The good type of head banging after each wipe.

Can't really consider ultimate a trial it's more like a boss rush style encounter tbh

A6S was the same method, four different bosses and no check point. Gauntlet-style fight, same as this one.

[LunarEmerald]

Ultimate is LOL.



The newest part shown has you needing to use heavensfall to knock yourself into a tower. A tower where half of it is past the instant death wall.

[Subucnimorning]

I love it and I am barely raiding it, just watching the streams when I can and seeing how excited is everyone is when they progress just a little on it is really cool. Also, it is already, more excitement than we saw at any point during o1s-o4s. I would say from that standpoint, just getting raiders excited about the game in general, it has been a success so far

[Nestama]

I can't help but wonder just how long the fight is meant to be with how much time Bahamut spends being untargetable on top having only a few million less HP then Neo Exdeath.

Some people are saying it'll be 20 minutes long.

Considering that 'Flames of Rebirth' is an attack listed in the 4.11 skill list on xivdb,
it could be possible

[Lambdafish]

let me know when you have your clear

I haven't beaten O4S and I'm participating in ultimate by watching streamers (like a tonne of other people). It is fun as hell watching the fight unfold and kinda reminds me of watching esports.

Why are you so hung up on people only having fun if they clear it? I might never clear it but still have a blast in the content, I might never enter and still have gotten a lot of fulfillment from the content. Who are you to say the content is wasted when so many are enjoying it in one form or another?

[bswpayton]

I haven't beaten O4S and I'm participating in ultimate by watching streamers (like a tonne of other people). It is fun as hell watching the fight unfold and kinda reminds me of watching esports.

Why are you so hung up on people only having fun if they clear it? I might never clear it but still have a blast in the content, I might never enter and still have gotten a lot of fulfillment from the content. Who are you to say the content is wasted when so many are enjoying it in one form or another?

Otherwise wats the point if it's not being cleared , and so many is subjective we are talking a small percentage in the big scheme of things.