Return To Ivalice - Salt Thread

[BillyKaplan]

I’m not budging on this. My answer is firmly no on any alternative. I want to experience the tame naturally, and if that means reading plaques on the first time of being in that route, then I’m going to do it, and embrace the full new feeling of the experience.

You must be a delight in MSQ roulette dungeons. That is not to say I appreciate any of this either, my first run through those dungeons was awful and I had my FC take me through it unsynced later so I could properly enjoy the cutscenes the way that place was intended to be experienced. But this isn't even some 8 person dungeon, it's a 24 person raid, you probably wiped on Hashmal about 5 times and people want to see the world beyond that Natural Essence poster boy. 23 other people. Screenshot the chat boxes, click on it so it'll be in your chat log for later viewing, and then sprint like your life depended on it. Anything SE does that requires you made the rest of your party wait on you is bad design. Even if the entirety of Alliance B took their time to read the things, you're still keeping Alliances A and C waiting. It's not the most thought out thing ever and they keep doing this.

[DamianFatale]

You know what? I should calculate the exact amount of time it takes to read the text in the raid one day. I bet people are overdramatizing the amount of time it takes to wait for others.

People in our time are so grossly impatient for everything, and just want everything handed to them immediately.

What ever happened to having patience, kindness, and appreciation for other people’s experiences? I’m tired of so many people just wanting to rush through everything. It sucks the fun out of most things, especially in gaming. The only real exception is speed runs. I.e. light farm.

I also understand that veteran players get tired. I really do, but If your play fatigue is making you so vastly impatient, you need to go take a break, and do something else. I just don’t get how the attitude went from being patient with others in this game, to all patient people should have their own parties. It should be the other way around.

[Oscura]

You know what? I should calculate the exact amount of time it takes to read the text in the raid one day. I bet people are overdramatizing the amount of time it takes to wait for others.

People in our time are so grossly impatient for everything, and just want everything handed to them immediately.

What ever happened to having patience, kindness, and appreciation for other people’s experiences? I’m tired of so many people just wanting to rush through everything. It sucks the fun out of most things, especially in gaming. The only real exception is speed runs. I.e. light farm.

I also understand that veteran players get tired. I really do, but If your play fatigue is making you so vastly impatient, you need to go take a break, and do something else. I just don’t get how the attitude when from being patient with others in this game, to all patient people should have their own parties. It should be the other way around.

Yet again, more of the false moral high ground and now partnered with sanctimonious grand-standing.

I've already stated that you being kicked was not valid and more importantly that it was not the right thing to do.

However, I also said I don't like your crappy attitude and the way you think of others, and instead of humbling yourself and realizing that the world is not built to react to you, you have now decided to double down and reach as far as possible to constantly talk down to and insult people for being "impatient," how people need everything handed to them, and insinuating that those who disagree or criticize your actions are unkind. You are sucking the fun out of your own experience, and with your terrible attitude towards people it does not surprise me. The fact of the matter is that if seven people all agree that your actions are against their interests, it does not make them lesser. It certainly does not make them "unkind."

I already know I'm wasting my time with you, as I've seen the posts you've made in the past, so I'm done here.

[DamianFatale]

I already know I'm wasting my time with you, as I've seen the posts you've made in the past, so I'm done here.

I don’t mean any Ill will at all, so yeah, you are wasting your time. There’s nothing wrong with being moral, and wanting to have good character. Also, it’s completely unfair to judge me for my past instead of who I am right now. I considered everyone’s opinions on alternatives, and the end of the day I just don’t agree. Those opinions do not align with me, and if people want to call me selfish, then that’s fair. You’re allowed to think what you want of me. Being selfish isn’t even that bad, so long as I don’t make it have negative effects on other people.

I’m not standing around, and pretending that I’m playing my part as my role. The other healer wasn’t left to do most of the healing like in most of those kinds of cases. I wasn’t taking my time in the same way that I would in a public zone. I just read the things that took a few clicks, and I went my merry way. People make a big deal out of it over nothing.

I could go digging into other people’s threads, and make it hard for them to have the opportunity to be seen as a decent person, but I don’t like to play that game. It’s a waste of time to try to haunt them with their old posts. It’s also gaslighting, and only succeeds in cutting people down. Either way, this was a thread meant for venting on this particular raid. We are getting off topic.

[ErryK]

How could I be sure that I’d be able to go the section I want? My answer is no.

That's not a yes or no question that you proposed. And you are being quite stubborn with your response, even though the logical explanation was given to you.

I’m not budging on this. My answer is firmly no on any alternative. I want to experience the game organically, and if that means reading plaques on the first time of being in that route, then I’m going to do it, and embrace the feeling of the new experience. It’s not often appreciated that the three routes are randomized, therefore making each run a unique experience in the dungeon.

Today I had been in there five times while trying to get a piece of healer gear, and I also had to successfully out roll on it. Anything new, and interesting that I didn’t notice is what’s going to keep me motivated to keep doing my runs.

What relevance does you going in there 5 times to get a piece have to do with you reading the notices in the underwater section? I don't think you're being 100% with us anyways, you're acting so defensive over something so irrelevant. It takes literally not more than 5 min to queue for Rabanastre as a healer.


This is the most stubborn post I've ever read on these forums...

You know what? I should calculate the exact amount of time it takes to read the text in the raid one day. I bet people are overdramatizing the amount of time it takes to wait for others.

People in our time are so grossly impatient for everything, and just want everything handed to them immediately.

Oh boy, here we go with the philosophy and the hyperbole. And you're not overdramatizing by being defensive about a kick you got? I got kicked out of an instance once, I put on my big boy pants, requeued, got the instance done, and that was that.

Did this really need a thread on the forums? Did this really need you to be defensive with multiple people on the forums? What was so wrong about using the Tales of the Duty Finder thread that the Ivalice raid needed its own post especially for you? Don't single yourself out just because you were the one who got kicked.

What ever happened to having patience, kindness, and appreciation for other people’s experiences? I’m tired of so many people just wanting to rush through everything. It sucks the fun out of most things, especially in gaming. The only real exception is speed runs. I.e. light farm.

I also understand that veteran players get tired. I really do, but If your play fatigue is making you so vastly impatient, you need to go take a break, and do something else. I just don’t get how the attitude went from being patient with others in this game, to all patient people should have their own parties. It should be the other way around.

You got a bad group, that's literally what the situation was. You're acting as if it's the standard when it's not. I've not seen one person get kicked for being behind or rude, even. Only because they've DC'd and never came back.

[silverlunarfox]

You know what? I should calculate the exact amount of time it takes to read the text in the raid one day. I bet people are overdramatizing the amount of time it takes to wait for others.

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I think you're playing the wrong game........you cannot control the thoughts, actions and beliefs of 23 other players online, let alone an internet forum.People gave you alternative options which are just as good as being lucky at finding 23 other people that dont mind you taking your sweet time reading. The fact is that 2nd boss still eats a giant chunk of time in the raid, that for some groups, you have to rush through to beat the final two depending how good your group is.

[Endeleon]

The way I think of it to myself is, if I was in a tense battle, enemies around would I stop to read the wall inscriptions? No... but if I was really there, after I cleared the danger I would go back and read it! So I don't mind returning and reading afterwards. I do think it was rude for OP to be kicked though.

[Lilseph]

Eh, I read them on my first run and it's just a couple of lines each. I don't think he was holding the whole alliance for that long.

[Evumeimei]

Eh, I read them on my first run and it's just a couple of lines each. I don't think he was holding the whole alliance for that long.

Yeah, they aren't very long. Shouldn't be as big of an issue as people are making it here. -__- But that's the forums, I guess.

30secs-1 min extra at most isn't going to make or break the 24-man wipefest.