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[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I remember a run I had with some friends, we had a lot of new people in the Alliance but just as many people who had been in before and acted like they knew what to do when the first boss started. (Keep in mind I don't think anyone except maybe one person in my party actively stated they were new....)

Mateus goes about as well as expected - the people who weren't new still weren't doing mechanics properly because muh deeps, the new people had little to no idea what was going on, we all wiped. I think an Ice Slave was what kept killing half the raid, but I can't remember at this point. Anyway, while we're all running back to Mateus after the wipe, I just make a joking quip in Alliance once all the mud-slinging started (ofc) going "Remember kids, mechanics are important!" I directed this at the people who WEREN'T new since goodness knows they weren't paying attention to half the mechanics, plus no one was really aware how many new people we did have... since literally no one but like 1-2 people said anything.

Queue impatient angry manchild newbie who goes, "well some of us don't f***ing know mechanics, but thanks for the condescension. How about you f***ing explain instead?" To which I just responded, "So angry." and left it at that. I was doing the raid for the first time on a healer so I had more important things to worry about than dealing with that. Someone else explained her mechanics, we proceeded, half the raid still wiped since either they weren't doing them or didn't understand them - but we managed to get past her. From then on someone explained all the boss mechanics as best they could. Ofc the party with the newbies did the worst but that's to be expected.

This guy though - he would literally spend the entire raid doing nothing but passive aggressive insults to me regardless of what was going on. People failed a mechanic and someone had to reiterate what to do? "Remember guys, mechanics are important~~~!" I ended up dying because someone ran pools into my face or couldn't sprint from Hashbrown's fire fast enough? "Remember, mechanics are important!" Like. I thought it was stupid at first (still was anyway tbh), but by the third boss I was actually upset. I hadn't spoken a single word after Mateus' wipe save for adding on to some mechanic explanations where needed, and I didn't acknowledge that manchild throwing a tantrum at all. But for whatever reason he took great personal offense to my joking quip at the start and made it his mission to make fun of me the entire run when we weren't even on the same team. Like what even, man? No wonder half your group is dying, with you talking more than healing. The worst of it came with Thadalfus ofc, since regardless of what class I'm on that boss still gives me trouble with some of his mechanics - and admittedly I was messing up worse because I had some anxiety building up from this dude's constant mudslinging.

And ofc before they left, they had to get one last parrot out of "Mechanics are important!" I was in such a terrible mood after that run. Some people literally take the crown for petty and unnecessary salt.

[Misstique]

I remember a run I had with some friends, we had a lot of new people in the Alliance but just as many people who had been in before and acted like they knew what to do when the first boss started. (Keep in mind I don't think anyone except maybe one person in my party actively stated they were new....)

Mateus goes about as well as expected - the people who weren't new still weren't doing mechanics properly because muh deeps, the new people had little to no idea what was going on, we all wiped. I think an Ice Slave was what kept killing half the raid, but I can't remember at this point. Anyway, while we're all running back to Mateus after the wipe, I just make a joking quip in Alliance once all the mud-slinging started (ofc) going "Remember kids, mechanics are important!" I directed this at the people who WEREN'T new since goodness knows they weren't paying attention to half the mechanics, plus no one was really aware how many new people we did have... since literally no one but like 1-2 people said anything.

Queue impatient angry manchild newbie who goes, "well some of us don't f***ing know mechanics, but thanks for the condescension. How about you f***ing explain instead?" To which I just responded, "So angry." and left it at that. I was doing the raid for the first time on a healer so I had more important things to worry about than dealing with that. Someone else explained her mechanics, we proceeded, half the raid still wiped since either they weren't doing them or didn't understand them - but we managed to get past her. From then on someone explained all the boss mechanics as best they could. Ofc the party with the newbies did the worst but that's to be expected.

This guy though - he would literally spend the entire raid doing nothing but passive aggressive insults to me regardless of what was going on. People failed a mechanic and someone had to reiterate what to do? "Remember guys, mechanics are important~~~!" I ended up dying because someone ran pools into my face or couldn't sprint from Hashbrown's fire fast enough? "Remember, mechanics are important!" Like. I thought it was stupid at first (still was anyway tbh), but by the third boss I was actually upset. I hadn't spoken a single word after Mateus' wipe save for adding on to some mechanic explanations where needed, and I didn't acknowledge that manchild throwing a tantrum at all. But for whatever reason he took great personal offense to my joking quip at the start and made it his mission to make fun of me the entire run when we weren't even on the same team. Like what even, man? No wonder half your group is dying, with you talking more than healing. The worst of it came with Thadalfus ofc, since regardless of what class I'm on that boss still gives me trouble with some of his mechanics - and admittedly I was messing up worse because I had some anxiety building up from this dude's constant mudslinging.

And ofc before they left, they had to get one last parrot out of "Mechanics are important!" I was in such a terrible mood after that run. Some people literally take the crown for petty and unnecessary salt.

Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. It seems like that raid brings out some of the worst people. I ran it yesterday and a mnk was pretty much holding up the whole raid due to computer issues or what not and people were getting upset since they couldnt start. The monk refused to leave and wanted a kick and the guy that came with the monk ended up arguing with the whole raid, telling people to "eat s**t and die" and other profanities. Of course, I left at hashmal even though I wasn't even a part of the argument since those types of people can totally ruin your experience. So when you mentioned how that guy was actively harassing you like that, I can imagine how upset you'd be. I mean if that was me, I'd pretty much copy the whole conversation and report him for harassment.

Anyway, I checked the guy's name on lodestone and lo and behold, his fc's name is " toxic ******* " lol, must be a great bunch of human beings.

One thing I don't understand....why are people typing during raids instead of dodging or following mechanics, (I've see this pretty often). When I'm doing literally any ex trial or raid, i don't read or even look at the chat log, I'm too busy healing or rezzing people.

[Cold_Raven]

Got some heavy salt when I ran as tank last week in alliance C.

Alliance A went in to tank (Paladin) - no problem. I'm a WAR, I like to DPS anyway.

First boss went through no issues.

Second boss was going fine, but all of a sudden the boss swung around to me.
I'm tanking now?
Did A die and I didn't notice? Nope... they're still alive.
Did I forget what stance I was in? Nope... still in Deliverance.
Seems like A simply didn't generate enough hate. Maybe they tried to swap into DPS stance on their own? I dunno.
I walk to the front of the boss, stay in Deliverance, and just keep going.
A stays there too, eating cleaves for no reason... but never gets hate back with me staying in DPS stance...
Ah well, no biggie. Boss dies and we move on.

3rd boss is buy-on-the-chariot, right?
On that one, same thing happened. A's PAL starts the fight, and everything's going fine.
At about 45-50% health left, I end up with hate again in my DPS stance.
I walk around to the front of the boss and continue to tank in DPS stance hoping they'll just take it back and do their job.

Then some DPS in A's alliance starts calling for A and C to stop fighting for hate.
I just stay quiet... it's pretty obvious to anyone who cares to look that I'm not fighting anyone, A's tank just sucks.

Then DPS-from-A starts whining about chariot-boss not being tanked in the centre... because the bomb-AoE (run away as far as possible from boss) causes more damage if boss is near a side.

I find that really suspect. Seems to me that if the boss is near a side, there's more room to run away (and take less damage) where if he's in the middle, it's all equal distance to run away from. I can see advantages to that (DPS doesn't have to consider where they are... just run away from boss). But I can see advantages to tanking him nearer to one side... if DPS position themselves, they can easily run farther away, and take even less damage.

I'm open to being convinced otherwise on this, anyone really care if the chariot-boss is tanked in the middle or not? What are the reasons?

But, in the moment, I thought it was fine where it was and I didn't move it.
Boss died easily enough anyway and we move on.

Moving towards last boss, DPS-in-A starts crying about tank-fights and how bad Alliance-C tank (me) is. I still don't say anything. I don't really care about what some kid thinks.

Last boss starts up, A-Tank starts fight and takes boss again.
This time I decide to relax a bit on DPS... just to make sure I don't take hate off of A-Tank. Whatever, boss is dying fast enough anyway.

But then I notice the boss swinging all around again.
Did A die this time? Nope, lots of health over there... what happened?
Check the hate tables and see that some Monk on Alliance B edged A-Tank in hate and took the boss.
Well, as a tank this is simply something that I can't stand for. Let the DPS do their jobs!!
I flip into tank stance, provoke, berserk, unchained and butcher's block until the cows come home. Boss doesn't move again, and DPS kill him easily... all the while A-DPS is chirping about tank-fights and how bad C-tank is. I'm just laughing at him the whole time.

Anyway... such is the fun of 24-man content

[Stormfur]

Maybe someone can explain something about the last fight to me.

When it says "the false god commands you to turn away" - and you get that icon with the eye and the NO symbol, and some symbols over your head like in Ravana. What does that even mean?!

[Byonka]

Maybe someone can explain something about the last fight to me.

When it says "the false god commands you to turn away" - and you get that icon with the eye and the NO symbol, and some symbols over your head like in Ravana. What does that even mean?!

Commands:
Eye = Turn around/Stop casting
Scatter = Actively be Moving/Casting

Pay attention to the face that pops up on your screen.
Blue-eyed Angelic Face = Follow the command (White light orbits boss)
Red-eyed Demonic Face = Opposite command (Dark Blue light orbits boss)

[LaylaTsarra]

I'm curious how you avoid that hand pointer over your head with the last boss. I seem to get it way to much and am not sure what i'm doing wrong.

[Avatre]

I'm curious how you avoid that hand pointer over your head with the last boss. I seem to get it way to much and am not sure what i'm doing wrong.

If you're talking about the spinning pointer, everyone gets it. You need to start moving when it's pointed in the direction you need to go for the safe spot.

[Byonka]

I'm curious how you avoid that hand pointer over your head with the last boss. I seem to get it way to much and am not sure what i'm doing wrong.

As mentioned above, everyone gets it. It's hilariously annoying :P Try rapidly tapping forward until you're pointed in the right direction.

[LaylaTsarra]

As mentioned above, everyone gets it. It's hilariously annoying :P Try rapidly tapping forward until you're pointed in the right direction.

thank you. I didn't realize everyone got it. It seemed some didn't so at least I know it's not me. I've learned to deal with it although I will say it's quite annoying.

[ElHeggunte]

I'm pretty sure it does reduce damage, I guess it's like proximity damage. If it were to come charging down from the north running east or west will reduce the damage. I'll update with images or something when I get around doing it.

Edit: https://imgur.com/a/Kgp5j
There was an ast in my party, but even with one i doubt their shield can fully mitigate 20k+ damage for standing in the middle.

Heavenly Subjugation can be mitigated by running to the side, away from his charging path. Once with a fully shielded, I took 0 damage contrast to those still in the middle of the arena took about half their HP off.

Well then, you learn something new every day.