Demi-Bahamut's Wyrmwave

[Neela]

Until I see SMN as a regular occurrence for speedkills, I'm going to disagree here. NIN needs to be brought down, and the synergy between DRG, BRD, and MCH needs to be toned down by removing Disembowel (and not compensate BRD or MCH for the loss associated with not having it since they bring a fair amount of both offensive and defensive utility).

On topic, Bahamut really needs better AI. We spam Ruin 2 while he's active due to how Wyrmwave works, but at the same time we are at our least mobile point in our rotation because movement messes with Bahamut's AI and causes him to delay Wyrmwaves and especially Akh Morn. He should really prioritize using skills over moving.

yep exactly - the only thing (and one of the biggest issues ever since...) left to fix.
The movement > skill prio is damn stupid. Whats the deal with his 100y range anyway if he starts moving after you left him 3y behind? q.q

[Llugen]

You just said it yourself, the real reason SMN isn't taken in speed killing is because of the disembowel synergy with both BRD and MCH. This says nothing of how powerful SMN is just of how the synergy of the meta is (which also needs fixing, by the way). Not all jobs will ever "be meta" so to state that yours needs to be otherwise it must not need nerfing is highly illogical.

As it stands, SMN is absolutely the strongest caster and has the highest utility of the casters. See also: needs a nerf.

[Neela]

This is a bit hypercritical dontcha think? What happened to the coms philosophy to aim for balance buffs instead of nerfs? Just thinking of all the Sam & Rdm op threads. Sure they overdone it on smn but yeah just wondering why smn deserves a nerf now instead of buffing xyz ^^‘

I guess it always depends on which side yourself is actually staying hu?

[Llugen]

I've always been against buffs to all jobs rather than nerfs to one job, it's how we end up in bad situations like we're in right now with BRD/MCH. People complained and complained and complained and now MCH is insanely strong and once again meta instead of ANY caster. I think it was Remedi who pointed out this is exactly how the "power creep" works.

[Semmi]

I've always been against buffs to all jobs rather than nerfs to one job, it's how we end up in bad situations like we're in right now with BRD/MCH. People complained and complained and complained and now MCH is insanely strong and once again meta instead of ANY caster. I think it was Remedi who pointed out this is exactly how the "power creep" works.

It is how power creep works, but as long as BRD and MCH (and DRG and NIN) remain as strong as they are, I will not say that SMN needs a nerf. With the way things are at the moment, BLM needs a lot of help, and RDM needs to do enough damage or bring enough raid DPS by buffing Embolden to be able to compete on some level. SMN is strong as a caster, with its 2 main competing classes (BLM and RDM) both being bad in one aspect or another.