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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunali View Post
    IMO the more important factor is that even if crit were better for damage, crit is far more likely to result in overhealing to no benefit. That said, for SCH crit is far more useful than for the other two and a crit on Adloquium is both less likely to result in overhealing than on the others and will give significant benefit even if it does.
    Crit regens or overheal because of crit isn't always a bad thing. GCDs saved on healing is really the end-goal. Crit is a way better benefit than SpS on all healer jobs.

    Not only the crit damage factor, it can save MP, maybe even save Plantary stacks like on ExDeath Savage where every ounce of your healing you put out kind of matters.

    You never depend on crits but there will be instances where you usually on stacks for follow-up healing or the SCH using Indom to help something and you'll notice and just return to doing damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    Crit regens or overheal because of crit isn't always a bad thing. GCDs saved on healing is really the end-goal. Crit is a way better benefit than SpS on all healer jobs.
    I was comparing it to determination in this instance, not spell speed. The person I replied to had compared the relative increase from determination vs crit, finding that determination was better even without considering overhealing.
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    I'm surprised no one has said this yet (or maybe I missed it) But there are no more stat weights. So it's not always Crit > Det > SS.

    The formulas I've looked at all have certain caps and synergies where you will want to have a certain amount of crit and det in order to get the most out of your stats. This as opposed to stacking all crit or all det which yields worst results.

    Also it is not always true that higher ilvls are better. It depends a lot on your current overall stats. There are plenty of instances in which a 320 item of gear is better than a 340 one. And what might be true for one person might not be true for another (geared or melded differently). The bonus in MND definitely does not outweigh some secondary stats. `

    So the bottom line being. If you want to get the best out of your melds and gear. You need to calculate the gain from each item of gear or meld you can get in comparison to the previous item/meld you had. All this with your current stats in mind.

    There are excel sheets out there that do a decent job of this. For instance : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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    Last edited by EaMett; 10-30-2017 at 02:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EaMett View Post
    Also it is not always true that higher ilvls are better. It depends a lot on your current overall stats. There are plenty of instances in which a 320 item of gear is better than a 340 one. And what might be true for one person might not be true for another (geared or melded differently). The bonus in MND definitely does not outweigh some secondary stats.
    While that can certainly be true of a 330 item, I'm having a hard time coming up with any 340 item where the increase in Mind doesn't outweigh any secondary stat changes over the 320 item (barring pentamelded crafting stuff).

    Eventually, the primary stat boost always wins out.
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    With my current whm gear upgrading my 320 genta chest piece to a 340 augmented lost Allagan chest piece yields a net loss in both healing and dps output. And that is hardly the only case. You can use the aforementioned spreadsheet to find quite a few other scenarios.

    Again that doesn't mean that it won't be a good chest piece for someone geared differently. But with my current stats it's a loss and the 320 item is better than the 340.

    There are no more fixed stat weights. Thinking that MND always weighs x times more than another stat is incorrect as x will change depending on your current stats. In the case I mentioned above, the 31 extra MND points do not outweigh switching the 244 Crit for 253 Spell Speed. Most likely because those crit points help me reach a cap. It's on a case by case basis.
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    Last edited by EaMett; 10-31-2017 at 05:53 AM.

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