Question in regards to end game gear (Healers)

[Tridus]

So I looked through of the higher iLvl pieces of gear i.e. Genji and Lost Allegan and there seems to be a lot of piety. Should I forego some of these pieces for lower ilvl pieces that do not have piety?

Generally speaking you'll see more of everything as your gear goes up in iLvl because the higher budget means more stats in general. You'll also see different pieces in a given set of gear have Piety than in other sets.

Mind is your most important stat. If it has more Mind, you probably want it. If it has a lot more mind, you almost certainly want it. As you get more pieces, the Piety will tend to level out. Unless you're trying to min/max for progression content, that simple rule will always work. For materia, you likely never need to use Piety.

You can use a site like this to help compare: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/WHM

[Ghishlain]

So I looked through of the higher iLvl pieces of gear i.e. Genji and Lost Allegan and there seems to be a lot of piety. Should I forego some of these pieces for lower ilvl pieces that do not have piety?

There is one niche case I'd consider dropping ilvls in the current healer gear list and that would be taking an Allagan Ring and Augmented Allagan Ring over Genji Ring and Augmented Allagan Ring.

Genji Ring is Piety > Spell Speed secondaries while Allagan Ring is Determination > Critical secondaries.

Spell Speed would be the lowest of the three secondaries for total boosts and Piety means nothing if you're comfortable with your MP pool. Determination and Critical would give you more overall benefit in this case despite the loss of Mind.

[JCT]

There is one niche case I'd consider dropping ilvls in the current healer gear list and that would be taking an Allagan Ring and Augmented Allagan Ring over Genji Ring and Augmented Allagan Ring.

So Augmented Lost Allagan and just Lost Allagan can both be used at once?

[Cynfael]

So Augmented Lost Allagan and just Lost Allagan can both be used at once?

Yes; Augmented version is a unique "ID" and counts as a different item.

[ChiiSoSeriouz]

No absolutely not

[JCT]

Are we still talking about healing stats? or are we going into damage now x.x...I just want to make sure I am following the conversation correctly.

From what I understand playing as my Scholar critical hit becomes important because of the skill Adloquium which benefits greatly from the crit. I just got my WHM to 70 as well so it would be good to take a look into the secondary stats for that job as well. Another question is I know that each of the jobs play slightly differently which could affect which stats you would want to focus on, but is it drastic in change? or does it just reflect around Crit and Det again? (Not overlooking Piety or Spell Speed, but it just seems the other two is everyones focus).

[Ghishlain]

Are we still talking about healing stats? or are we going into damage now x.x...I just want to make sure I am following the conversation correctly.

From what I understand playing as my Scholar critical hit becomes important because of the skill Adloquium which benefits greatly from the crit. I just got my WHM to 70 as well so it would be good to take a look into the secondary stats for that job as well. Another question is I know that each of the jobs play slightly differently which could affect which stats you would want to focus on, but is it drastic in change? or does it just reflect around Crit and Det again? (Not overlooking Piety or Spell Speed, but it just seems the other two is everyones focus).

Secondary stats would affect healing spells in the same manner as their damage equivalents, though I don't know for certain if the magnitude is the same. IE if 100 det increases your damage by 1%, if the same number of det would increase your healing by the same 1%. I know Critical Hit Rate has the same affect on both healing and damage as I did a test for it back in late HW and I don't see any reason why Det and Spell Speed don't have the same effect either unless someone speaks otherwise.

In terms of secondaries, certain kits benefit more from certain stats than others though it's usually up to each individual to determine what they would prefer to stack for their healer's. Asa you mentioned, Adlo gains a benefit for critting so Crit is preferred over other secondaries on SCH. In contrast, if you want to focus more on damage for SCH, melding Direct Hit or focusing gear / Materia more on Spell Speed can have its benefits as SCH has access to 4 DoTs which does affect the DoT potency.

As someone else has mentioned, Piety isn't of that great effect to WHM as they have an already great MP pool though Piety can have benefits for SCH and AST. If you really want to min-max healers, you can have different gear sets for different healers once you start to get more and more gear and build around that though most players probably use the same gear set for every healer.

At the end of the day, Determination and Critical will generally give you the most bang for your buck as a healer with a splash of Piety if you feel you need a better MP pool to help with your healing, but you won't see any massive detriment if you focused your secondaries somewhere else either.

[KageTokage]

I don't think any of the healers ever want piety or spell speed if possible; the former because you shouldn't ever run out of MP if you manage your cooldowns and keep deaths to a minimum and the latter because while it increases your healing per second, it doesn't increase your heal efficiency, (Whereas crit/det do both), plus there are only very specific skill speed thresholds that produce a noticeable benefit for all classes in general (Usually by allowing you to fit an extra GCD into a window where a buff/debuff is active).

[Lunali]

while it increases your healing per second, it doesn't increase your heal efficiency, (Whereas crit/det do both)

Technically it does, though not nearly to the same degree. SpS increases the potency of your HoTs.

[KageTokage]

I forgot about that side effect.

I guess that would make the stat particularly bad for SCH, though,