Tank Stances, Traited

[Dio_Tiferet]

Although the concept of tank stances is interesting and adds to strategy/gameplay FFXIV's main focus always revolves around DPS and because of that tanks will avoid tankstance like the plague.

Simply put tankstances dont work with the way this game is designed unfortunately it only adds to elitism and locking abilities behind tankstance only incites more resentment towards it.'

I'd like to see them redesign tanking without stances in the future if only to get rid of the toxic attitude and give tanks access to their full moveset with proper depth in it to reward skilled players.

This will also make emnity generators/combo's more important/indepth and not make NIN mandatory in every high-end comp.

[Reynhart]

Although the concept of tank stances is interesting and adds to strategy/gameplay FFXIV's main focus always revolves around DPS and because of that tanks will avoid tankstance like the plague.

Again, the game does not revole around personal DPS. If, by sacrificing your own DPS, you could increase someone else's to compensate, there's no reason to not do it if you want.
But, for now, the added mitigation does not add an apprioriate amount of raid DPS (i.e healer's DPS) for what you lose as personal DPS.

[Dio_Tiferet]

Again, the game does not revole around personal DPS. If, by sacrificing your own DPS, you could increase someone else's to compensate, there's no reason to not do it if you want.
But, for now, the added mitigation does not add an apprioriate amount of raid DPS (i.e healer's DPS) for what you lose as personal DPS.

True but only to an extend even without tankstance good tanks i will mitigate enough so for healers to keep up.

The dps gain from turning tankstance off by far outweighs a few healer GCD's and when you add item level increase / overhealing into the equation dropping tankstance will always come out on top over having a healer heal a tiny bit more.

Of course all this is obvious or we would not be in this current predicament that''s why even though i like the stances im in favor of removing it it is affecting the game in too many negative ways.

[Reynhart]

The dps gain from turning tankstance off by far outweighs a few healer GCD's and when you add item level increase / overhealing into the equation dropping tankstance will always come out on top over having a healer heal a tiny bit more.

If your tank stance would make you take half damage (or increase HP and healing received by 100%) all the time, we wouldn't be looking at "few healer's GCD"

[Dio_Tiferet]

If your tank stance would make you take half damage (or increase HP and healing received by 100%) all the time, we wouldn't be looking at "few healer's GCD"

That would not matter as long as the enemies do not enforce tankstance and doing so would mean having to completely rework every enemy and that is not going to happen.

With 50% mitigation on stance you might as well remove every defensive cooldown in the game.

[Reynhart]

That would not matter as long as the enemies do not enforce tankstance

Why is that ?

[Dio_Tiferet]

Why is that ?

Because tanks or not going to use tankstance unless they are forced to and incoming tank damage would have to be increased significantly for that and not in the shape of boss abilities since we can use defensive cooldowns for those.