Tank Stances, Traited

[Ironrocke]

Been a tank since 2.0 beta and I love the playstyle, but after reading so many post about tank DPS and just tanking in general I now want to throw my 2 cents in the pool with the suggestion that the tanking stances should just be adjusted and traited so that tanking would play like a pre-lvl30 tank, also no tank DPS stance. Adjustments made would remove damage penalties but make it so that tanks would still be defensive without losing our funk. Change I've thought of so far this this...

Paladin: Shield Oath(Trait):Reduces damage taken by 10%. Increases enmity from enmity generating skills/abilities.

Warrior: Defiance(Trait): Increases maximum HP by 25% and HP recovery via healing magic by 20%. Increases enmity from enmity generating skills/abilities.

Dark Knight: Darkside(Trait): Reduces damage taken by 30%. Increases enmity from enmity generating skills/abilities.

[Ironrocke]

These changing would not hinder tanks from doing damage but also make threat management something that everyone needs to be aware of. OT can't just spam their enmity combo or rip from MT, DPS needs to use their enmity reducing ability or get smacked, same for healers.

These are just my ideas. Let me know what you think or should be adjusted.

P.S.: Tank DPS at best should reach more than 2/3rd dps numbers.

[Pastahnak]

So what do you do about warrior for example that has skills change completely when switching between stances?

[Daniel_Fury]

I like the idea of going back to no stance. (E.g PLD before ARR) but the jobs would need to be completely reworked, especially Warrior.

[Ironrocke]

Warriors should be that offensive force that dumps defense for raw offence, so fuse Inner Beast with Fell Cleave and fuse Steel Cyclone with Demolish. Keep the potencies from Fell Cleave and Demolish and the HP recovery from Steel Cyclone and the HP rec and Def increase from Inner Beast.

[Ironrocke]

Paladins, Ye Old Sword and Board! Oath Power increases with auto attack and even further when they block. Thats all i got for now...Yall hella defensive already, offense can suffer some.

[Ironrocke]

Dark Knights...Yall belong in the dankness with blood covered weapons. Blood Weapon doubles pot. for skills using MP, doubles MP costs, and stop MP regeneration. Yalls new Tank trait give yall the highest natural Def. now make your enemies fear the darkside.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

No.

This would greatly oversimplify tanking, making it incredibly boring. The current dynamic of sacrificing offensive capability for defensive capability is a healthy one.

Now, do the numbers need to be tweaked? Perhaps, but this dynamic should remain--and meaningfully so (e.g. a 1% DPS loss for tank stance would not be meaningful).

[shao32]

tanks are simple just staing in dps stance all time so i dont see any diference.

on topic:

i dont understand why DRK have a 30% mitigation and PLD only a 10% both will have 20% and move forward, acual PLD is superior but thats nothing that some changes on DRK set cant solve.

and you changes for WAR dont make sense, idk if you know how WAR works but they are constantly spaming fell cleaves all the time so as you suggestion they will be hable to keep that 20% mitigation up almost every 10 seconds minimun, and is decimate no demolish, and you need to rework unleash too.

for PLD i dont see anything extreme but DRK? the blood weapon dont make sense, except i understand it wrong you want to double dark arts potency bonus at double the actual high cost with no MP regeneration? its pretty expensive for a small burst, its basicly put 2 dark arts in 1, if was with the same MP cost or just 1/2 increse ill buy it, but this nope.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

tanks are simple just staing in dps stance all time

Tanks being simple is exactly the reason why you shouldn't simplify them even further.

so i dont see any diference.

If you don't see any difference, then you're not looking hard enough. You wouldn't even need to use CDs for certain things if you had the permanent benefits of tank stance, and threat would become a complete non-issue.