Request: Hempen Garb - Racial Unlock

[Alacran]

My question: If the creators who put in the time and work to make the races small clothes different, why is their vision of the game visual aspect any less important than one who wants it changed? It was created this way for what ever reason, it took time to do so and was done on purpose, so why must it be changed?

In my opinion (as unpopular and unimportant it is) i would like to see more of the racial gear upgraded (hempen and starter gear) a bit more armor, some more details, maybe even different material, designs or forms that are inspired by the originals. My adventurer is now more powerful and mature in my head canon, i would like to see a set just for male Highlanders that could and would show off this growth, same for my female Highlander alts, that just so happen to have the build i favor in female character.

As far as i can tell the Highlander race as a whole seem to enjoy showing their physical attributes, are very strong and live in a hot, harsh, almost barren environment, (hence to me) small clothes was made more crude and rugged allowing for more resources to be used for construction of armor, shelter, ect... This however is only my thoughts and not reference to any in game lore (to my knowledge).

For my part, a story exists there (even if only in my head). FFXI had us quest for RSE at one time, iirc there was no lore tied to it but it's form was just a recolor of the starter set, at the time i was a bit disappointed that there so few changes made to these new variants of the gear. However even then i recognized as something made by the developers to differentiate the races. It was how they wanted us to perceive them with out having to hold our hand and tell us tale of how our Highlander ancestors were the first to make bondage gear that would be the envy of near every cat ...girl... in the future.

Idk, i hate the idea of these hempen sets on lala, seems disgusting really, for as much as the ...female... characters desperately want it don't the cats and lizards out there realize how difficult it's going to be to fill out that getup.

tldr: I actually want an expansion to RSE, it's fun to see what other races equipment may say about the culture of each race.

[Serilda]

My question: If the creators who put in the time and work to make the races small clothes different, why is their vision of the game visual aspect any less important than one who wants it changed? It was created this way for what ever reason, it took time to do so and was done on purpose, so why must it be changed?

They also had the vision to release a game without female Roegadyn, male Miqo'te and female Highlanders. Same logic deep down - modelling an outfit for one race would take less time than modelling it for several, just like not having an entire race/gender combo saved time. Underwear used to be a relevant part of the game's equip design. Now it's just another glamour, and one that already been designed ready for adaption to other model sizes. Why keep doing things in a flawed way just because of tradition?

If it was actual racial gear like those nice oversized earrings the NPC Elezen get or some kind of tail decoration, fair enough, though even then they've shown they can do it with having different models on different characters to reduce the amount of unwearable item bloat and frustration.

For the example of Hyur needing skimpy clothing due to their background, there are plenty of Miqo'te who live in deserts and inhospitable environments (such as the exact same environments inhabited by Highlanders). It's just such a weird thing to want to block.

[Tiraelina]

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They also didn't have class restrictions originally and tails didn't just clip through everything. Just because you don't want any gear to be part of a races flavour doesn't make it flawed.

[Magic-Mal]

My question: If the creators who put in the time and work to make the races small clothes different, why is their vision of the game visual aspect any less important than one who wants it changed? It was created this way for what ever reason, it took time to do so and was done on purpose, so why must it be changed?

You could say this argument about 1.0

[Galaktica]

You could say this argument about 1.0

Except on one hand you had a game that was an absolute mess on a technical level and financially, impossible to sustain and on the other hand, you have a couple of of pairs of digital underwear. If they didn't alter the first, none of us would even be here discussing the latter. Soooo they're kinda not even remotely the same thing

And, for the record, I would just like to say I too would be in favor of this change. However, I can't stand how people just sorta plug their ears to the whole unique clothing argument. Skivvy pretty much stole the words right out of my mouth and I really wish people who want the sets unlocked would chill out. It's really not that serious at the end of day and the level of anger makes us all look bad lol.

[Magic-Mal]

Except on one hand you had a game that was an absolute mess on a technical level and financially, impossible to sustain and on the other hand, you have a couple of of pairs of digital underwear. If they didn't alter the first, none of us would even be here discussing the latter. Soooo they're kinda not even remotely the same thing

And on the third hand that grew out of my back, you could also use the argument to ask why this game was changed from 2.0 and should've stayed the same way then because the devs chose to make it that way. See where I'm getting at?

[Galaktica]

And on the third hand that grew out of my back, you could also use the argument to ask why this game was changed from 2.0 and should've stayed the same way then because the devs chose to make it that way. See where I'm getting at?

Well, you should've just said that from the beginning because although it's not a good an argument as you think, it's much better than your first. You're still willfully ignoring the point of Alacran's post though. He did not say the devs did everything on purpose and/or everything should stay the same. He was essentially pointing out out that the hempen sets were just one aspect clearly designed with a vision and not everything needs to be changed.

Of course they're going to change stuff because ideas that were good 4 years ago or even 4 months ago may not seem so great now. The point is maybe, just maybe the devs still currently really like some of their ideas (e.g. racial gear) so why should they be forced to change that?

[Magic-Mal]

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True! But for this specific point about hempen sets being locked.. we already had a pages long debate back and forth with the last thread. So in all honesty I'm not willing to potentially do it again even if you never had the intention anyway.. Fact is, no ones is forcing SE in the end. But what SE has done was express their interest in actually changing it, with more than one response on it that almost everyone probably saw. And they created a Hyur NPC with Elezen racial gear on which was never before seen until after the request about the hempen gear.

Whether or not it was an NPC doesn't matter because they still have to create the model that otherwise didn't exist.

End point is, they do show that they might want to do it. Not being forced to do it.

EDIT: They also could've just said "no". Or "we can't" like so many times before. But they didn't.

[Fawkes]

For my part, a story exists there (even if only in my head). FFXI had us quest for RSE at one time, iirc there was no lore tied to it but it's form was just a recolor of the starter set, at the time i was a bit disappointed that there so few changes made to these new variants of the gear. However even then i recognized as something made by the developers to differentiate the races. It was how they wanted us to perceive them with out having to hold our hand and tell us tale of how our Highlander ancestors were the first to make bondage gear that would be the envy of near every cat ...girl... in the future.

FFXI did RSE way better than FFXIV. Mithra RSE was a loincloth because they were a tribe of jungle cat people. And you could go to Kazham and see a bunch of mithra NPCs wearing the RSE loincloth. You didn't need to be told why only mithra wore that because it was obvious through the world building. However, in FFXIV I need someone to explain why only miqo'te are allowed to wear this sexy schoolgirl halloween costume RSE, because it doesn't really seem evocative of their tribal roots and there's no miqo'te city where all the NPCs run around in miniskirts.

To me it seems like FFXIV has RSE because FFXI did and that's it. I wouldn't be opposed to having new RSE but they would have to do some work to make it believable as RSE for me to not immediately be asking for the one I think looks the best to be equippable by my race too.