Request: Hempen Garb - Racial Unlock

[Keydah]

Race specific clothing in most games is fine. Almost everyone has alts to play other classes or even just for other races, so they don't miss out on anything.

Race specific clothing in a game built around having one character is not. While I'm sure there's plenty of people who do have alts, I'm willing to bet the majority do not. Therefore, they lose a lot of creative freedom in not having access to other races' hempen sets...ever.

The starting gear being race locked is fine - it's that race's "cultural" gear - but not being able to wear the Elezen or Roe top just because I'm an Au Ra is downright stupid. They're just simple tops and bottoms, there is nothing racially specific attached to them besides being a style that fits that race's sterotypical look. If I want my Au Ra to look elegant in the pretty Elezen hempen set instead of wearing a cutesy PJ babydoll because it fits her as a character better, what logical reason is there that I can't?

Suddenly everyone would be wearing them - what's wrong with that? Sure, we all know there will be catgirls in the Highlander hempen top EVERYWHERE for the first month of them being unlocked, but having the option of wearing it or the babydoll or the halter creates more diversity imo. I'd rather see a catgirl in Highlander panties here and there rather than every single catgirl only having a halter top to choose from...

[Magic-Mal]

And it didn't go out my window by the way.

It.. kinda did

But more specifically, a Garlean airship window

[MagiusNecros]

Honestly every armor should have a racial style applied to it.

Why just the Hempen eh?

[Ibkee]

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You're missing the point. The Highlander hempen is clearly designed around the Highlander body and lore. Miqo'te are also race locked out of muscle sliders because they aren't race appropriate. Differences between races are believable, normal and encourage the use of Fantasias (a solid impetus for SE not to change the status quo)

Further, I'd argue that it's precisely because Hempen is racially locked that it's so interesting. It's nice to have glamour options that aren't instantly off-putting because they're being worn by thousands of default catgirls in your server alone. The bikini tank you mention is a lore quirk but that's irrelevant, it's overused, boring and ultimately this has been avoided with Hempen simply by keeping it restricted to it's various races.

[DeaconMoore]

You're missing the point. The Highlander hempen is clearly designed around the Highlander body and lore. Miqo'te are also race locked out of muscle sliders because they aren't race appropriate. Differences between races are believable, normal and encourage the use of Fantasias (a solid impetus for SE not to change the status quo)

Further, I'd argue that it's precisely because Hempen is racially locked that it's so interesting. It's nice to have glamour options that aren't instantly off-putting because they're being worn by thousands of default catgirls in your server alone. The bikini tank you mention is a lore quirk but that's irrelevant, it's overused, boring and ultimately this has been avoided with Hempen simply by keeping it restricted to it's various races.

Actually I think you're missing the point, it's a piece of clothing, not some holy relic that only responds to those of true blood. >.>

Holding these hostage for Fantasias sales? Really? How does that work exactly? I mean for me, I like the look of a female Highlander, but I hate their Hempen set. I do however like the look of the female Midlander hempen set but I don't like the look of the Midlander females. Why on earth would I fantasia to a race choice I don't like? Here's a hint, I wouldn't!

Really all I read in your post is a personal distaste for all the catgirls running around being your main problem with the set losing the racial lock.

[Ibkee]

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Whether you would fantasia for glam or not is irrelevant, people do and many on this forum (when this thread has appeared previously) have admitted to doing so for Hempen alone. The differences between miqo'te, au ra and midlander females are negligible in many people's eyes and something as small as unique underwear can swing the decision.

Here's the rub: I'm a Highlander and I hate Highlander Hempen and never actually use it. But it was designed for Highlander, clearly from both a physical and lore POV, and is another unique aspect of the race. Making all the races the same is not the answer and it's clearly not a policy SE is on board with.

And yes, the fascination with Elezen, Roe and Highlander Hempen is primarily because there aren't a plethora of catgirls running around with it right now. That's a good thing.

[Oscura]

There is nothing lore specific about underwear and the fact anyone has even tried to imply that is absolutely and utterly ridiculous.

It is one thing to say you don't want it, or even say you don't want it because screw miqo'te, but to create a fake, flimsy argument is another thing entirely.

I will never understand people who seriously oppose more freedom towards wearing different armor/clothing. It'd be like saying that Summoner should never get any additional egis, that there should never be extra housing wards, or that you should never be able to dye AF gear. It'd be like justifying or encouraging that mogstation gear remain character-locked and not account-wide. It'd be like opposing the male bunny outfit just for the sake of keeping it unique solely to women. It just makes no sense to me at all. Limiting options just to limit them would make sense if people took that stance with everything, but taking it with specific things to push their agenda is a bit disgusting. I've seen people in previous threads and in this thread oppose or support the previous things I've stated multiple times, yet every time disagree with this. The same people whining about how summoners should have additional egis/egi glamours and then simultaneously saying that hempen gear should remain locked just because? It makes no sense to me. Even less when the same people who constantly whine and complain about the male bunny outfit not existing try to seriously justify wanting to lock the hempen sets. Especially when depending on who you ask, they have no business wearing anything of the sort. I'm fine with it, personally, but yeah.

As for my particular stake on hempen gear, I don't really care. I think the Midlander female top is cute, but I've been a Midlander before and may do it again. I'm mostly posting my two cents because I just dislike seeing posts that say, "limit options for generally no good reason except my personal preference and nothing more." The game is made to cater to the experience of a community, not an individual. There will be things you dislike that the majority will like, get over it.

[Ibkee]

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While I take issue with much of this post, one glaring flaw, that I'm sure both sides can agree is misguided, is your assertion that everyone should have access to everything.
All races should have all Hempen of all races/genders
All races should have all racial starter gear of all races/genders
All jobs should have all AF
All characters should have all hairstyles, body customisation and add-ons.
Everyone should be the same.

Not only is this thinking a dangerous precedent for a game already lacking variety, but it clearly isn't the direction SE intend to take us. The options are limited by SE, not by us, whether they do that because your proposed changes would nerf the Fantasia moneytrain is conjecture on my part, but they have their reasons and the system works well enough that it's unlikely to change at this point.

Meanwhile, they keep coming out with new clothing options for all, underwear included. I'm sure the same will continue.

[Oscura]

While I take issue with much of this post, one glaring flaw, that I'm sure both sides can agree is misguided, is your assertion that everyone should have access to everything.
All races should have all Hempen of all races/genders
All races should have all racial starter gear of all races/genders
All jobs should have all AF
All characters should have all hairstyles, body customisation and add-ons.
Everyone should be the same.

Not only is this thinking a dangerous precedent for a game already lacking variety, but it clearly isn't the direction SE intend to take us. The options are limited by SE, not by us, whether they do that because your proposed changes would nerf the Fantasia moneytrain is conjecture on my part, but they have their reasons and the system works well enough that it's unlikely to change at this point.

Meanwhile, they keep coming out with new clothing options for all, underwear included. I'm sure the same will continue.

My assertion that everyone should have access to everything? Would you mind actually reading my post next time? My post specifically mentions that I do not understand how someone could oppose more options despite encouraging more options for things that align to it or are similar. Either that, or opposing something out of sheer spite for a group or particular racial choice and nothing more than that.

Quite literally, not even once, did I ever mention anywhere in my post, that everyone should have access to everything. It wasn't an even implication. I even specifically stated my personal stance towards this hempen thing is complete and total apathy. I was specifically addressing that opposing things for the sake of opposing them or opposing a group of people is just honestly a bit too pretentious for me. Please work on your reading comprehension.

[Magic-Mal]

You're missing the point. The Highlander hempen is clearly designed around the Highlander body and lore. Miqo'te are also race locked out of muscle sliders because they aren't race appropriate. Differences between races are believable

This, this bit right here.. is actually completely wrong. The clothes have nothing to do with lore. Miqo'tes not having a muscle slider has nothing to do with lore.

1. Starting with the clothes first, how is the Highlander hempen made for Highlander bodies again? Where's the lore for that? How is the Midlander tank top made for just Midlanders? Where's the lore for that? A highlander female body isn't radically different from Midlander or even Miqo'te body. One of the only differences between them is just that highlanders are taller and can have larger busts, which btw, can be put to 0 slider. So no not form.

Answer: It has nothing to do with lore at all. It is a remnant of the 1.0 programming where the each race had a specially built hempen set that they could use to equip in an Undergarments section. This is no longer in the game. But the coding is still active.

2. Are you seriously saying that Miqo'tes and Au Ra-like races are incapable of gaining muscle? Whaaat? Where is the lore for that? Can you find it? Where is the lore explaining how Miqo'te were much thicker in the past? Where is the lore explaining why they mysteriously can't get any muscles?

Answer: There isn't any. The real reason is because due to 1.0 coding, each race and gender had a certain amount of customizable features. Elezens with ears, Miqo'tes with tails. While others had muscle sliders. Also, Miqo'te lore says that they have strong legs for jumping. Yet their legs are skinny. Why? Because SE. Not lore.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Miqo%27te

The groups share a superb sense of smell and powerful leg muscles, results of a long evolution geared towards hunting and predation.