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    Sarcatica's Avatar
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    Sarcatica Lin
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    Tonberry
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by akisya View Post
    You heavily underestimate how much 200 DPS matters when you're in the top 30 world slot for a fight. 6:18 kill time for O2S puts us at #22, while the #1 slot is 5:58. Do you really think 200 DPS won't matter when you're trying to shave off seconds? A WAR and PLD that optimizes their HP shields would actually give healers a few extra GCDs throughout a fight, not to mention PLD already has heavy mitigation with hallowed and passive blocking. Can DRKs atleast offer anything to the raid? Currently, no. I do agree that PLD was not as bad as people made it out to be in HW. They had hallowed and divine veil, which they atleast offered something to the raid. Which is why I would say that DRKs are at a worse position than PLDs were at HW.

    DRK already heavily relies on the BRD+DRG+NIN buffs to even reach consistent numbers of a PLD. It's really annoying how I can walk into O3S for the very first time on my PLD and do the same numbers as my DRK, without any effort. Sure, my group has the meta comp now and I could go back on DRK to get better personal numbers. But speedrunning is about your kill time, not your personal DPS.

    Any class changes that affect the speedrunner opinions will usually sway how the rest of the community will view a class, just look at how influenced the community is from guides made by "hardcore" players (more prominently Momo & Xeno).
    Let's be honest, how many people here are doing speedrun? That 200 dps won't matter to them. I mained PLD in Gordias and I easily got higher DPS than those DRK mains. So much for "DRK can do more dps than PLD easily", right? PLD and WAR are neck to neck, WAR sometimes gets that lucky crits during their bursts to completely dominate the tank class.

    DRK can't even reach PLD's and WAR's number at 97%+, of course that's bad. BUT that's only if you can do 97%+ on those jobs for it to matter.
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    Last edited by Sarcatica; 10-22-2017 at 01:01 PM.

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    Jade Nixx
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    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcatica View Post
    Let's be honest, how many people here are doing speedrun? That 200 dps won't matter to them. I mained PLD in Gordias and I easily got higher DPS than those DRK mains. So much for "DRK can do more than PLD easily", right? PLD and WAR are neck to neck, WAR sometimes gets that lucky crits during their burst.
    If it doesn't matter, then you might as well buff DRK by 200 DPS, right?
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Crater View Post
    If it doesn't matter, then you might as well buff DRK by 200 DPS, right?
    True, the discussion is to bring up the power level of DRK to match PLD and more so WAR, but the tone set is another different thing.
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    Kokopi Kopi
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    Chocobo
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcatica View Post
    Let's be honest, how many people here are doing speedrun? That 200 dps won't matter to them. I mained PLD in Gordias and I easily got higher DPS than those DRK mains. So much for "DRK can do more dps than PLD easily", right? PLD and WAR are neck to neck, WAR sometimes gets that lucky crits during their bursts to completely dominate the tank class.

    DRK can't even reach PLD's and WAR's number at 97%+, of course that's bad. BUT that's only if you can do 97%+ on those jobs for it to matter.
    I this, I that more than this. Maybe you should make a thread on how much more damage you can do on PLD than the majority of DRKs in the past, since you're not really contributing to this one.

    It doesn't matter if people here speedrun or not, I'm only giving my suggestions and feedback here as a speedrunner. Since speedrunning is where you'll see the biggest difference in tank balance, especially having played both PLD and DRK.
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