4.11+ DRK Suggestions/Balance Changes from a "Hardcore" Player

**Sarcatica** · 10-22-2017 03:06 AM

Coming from me who speedrun a bit, yes DRK is not as good as WAR. BUT that only accounts for people who do speedrun, heck, my DRK has better dps than my WAR. The "DRK sucks" does not apply if your WAR sucks ass (like how mine is) or if you don't try to optimize. Before the buff in 4.05, WAR already was the go-to tank VS DRK for Lakshmi and Susano speedruns. There is no point talking when you are just here to spread the disease that DRK is broken, like how people chose to present PLD in HW. PLD was never broken, DRK just outshone PLD in the MT slot.

So yes, DRK is less optimal but it just doesn't matter for most of you. 200 dps extra isn't going to break your bones.

The only few things I would get into is increasing TBN's duration to 6sec, Dark Passenger buffed so it's used or heck even removing it would be fine as it is, the extra enmity is not a problem due to Shirk, Delirium is such a long CD that it would have to be adjusted so that we actually have better sustain in dmg. Or maybe just a flat 5% extra on Darkside would be sufficient, maybe.

**akisya** · 10-22-2017 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Sarcatica

So yes, DRK is less optimal but it just doesn't matter for most of you. 200 dps extra isn't going to break your bones.

You heavily underestimate how much 200 DPS matters when you're in the top 30 world slot for a fight. 6:18 kill time for O2S puts us at #22, while the #1 slot is 5:58. Do you really think 200 DPS won't matter when you're trying to shave off seconds? A WAR and PLD that optimizes their HP shields would actually give healers a few extra GCDs throughout a fight, not to mention PLD already has heavy mitigation with hallowed and passive blocking. Can DRKs atleast offer anything to the raid? Currently, no. I do agree that PLD was not as bad as people made it out to be in HW. They had hallowed and divine veil, which they atleast offered something to the raid. Which is why I would say that DRKs are at a worse position than PLDs were at HW.

DRK already heavily relies on the BRD+DRG+NIN buffs to even reach consistent numbers of a PLD. It's really annoying how I can walk into O3S for the very first time on my PLD and do the same numbers as my DRK, without any effort. Sure, my group has the meta comp now and I could go back on DRK to get better personal numbers. But speedrunning is about your kill time, not your personal DPS.

Any class changes that affect the speedrunner opinions will usually sway how the rest of the community will view a class, just look at how influenced the community is from guides made by "hardcore" players (more prominently Momo & Xeno).

**Sarcatica** · 10-22-2017 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by akisya

You heavily underestimate how much 200 DPS matters when you're in the top 30 world slot for a fight. 6:18 kill time for O2S puts us at #22, while the #1 slot is 5:58. Do you really think 200 DPS won't matter when you're trying to shave off seconds? A WAR and PLD that optimizes their HP shields would actually give healers a few extra GCDs throughout a fight, not to mention PLD already has heavy mitigation with hallowed and passive blocking. Can DRKs atleast offer anything to the raid? Currently, no. I do agree that PLD was not as bad as people made it out to be in HW. They had hallowed and divine veil, which they atleast offered something to the raid. Which is why I would say that DRKs are at a worse position than PLDs were at HW.

DRK already heavily relies on the BRD+DRG+NIN buffs to even reach consistent numbers of a PLD. It's really annoying how I can walk into O3S for the very first time on my PLD and do the same numbers as my DRK, without any effort. Sure, my group has the meta comp now and I could go back on DRK to get better personal numbers. But speedrunning is about your kill time, not your personal DPS.

Any class changes that affect the speedrunner opinions will usually sway how the rest of the community will view a class, just look at how influenced the community is from guides made by "hardcore" players (more prominently Momo & Xeno).

Let's be honest, how many people here are doing speedrun? That 200 dps won't matter to them. I mained PLD in Gordias and I easily got higher DPS than those DRK mains. So much for "DRK can do more dps than PLD easily", right? PLD and WAR are neck to neck, WAR sometimes gets that lucky crits during their bursts to completely dominate the tank class.

DRK can't even reach PLD's and WAR's number at 97%+, of course that's bad. BUT that's only if you can do 97%+ on those jobs for it to matter.

**Crater** · 10-22-2017 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Sarcatica

Let's be honest, how many people here are doing speedrun? That 200 dps won't matter to them. I mained PLD in Gordias and I easily got higher DPS than those DRK mains. So much for "DRK can do more than PLD easily", right? PLD and WAR are neck to neck, WAR sometimes gets that lucky crits during their burst.

If it doesn't matter, then you might as well buff DRK by 200 DPS, right?

**Sarcatica** · 10-22-2017 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Crater

If it doesn't matter, then you might as well buff DRK by 200 DPS, right?

True, the discussion is to bring up the power level of DRK to match PLD and more so WAR, but the tone set is another different thing.

**akisya** · 10-22-2017 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sarcatica

Let's be honest, how many people here are doing speedrun? That 200 dps won't matter to them. I mained PLD in Gordias and I easily got higher DPS than those DRK mains. So much for "DRK can do more dps than PLD easily", right? PLD and WAR are neck to neck, WAR sometimes gets that lucky crits during their bursts to completely dominate the tank class.

DRK can't even reach PLD's and WAR's number at 97%+, of course that's bad. BUT that's only if you can do 97%+ on those jobs for it to matter.

I this, I that more than this. Maybe you should make a thread on how much more damage you can do on PLD than the majority of DRKs in the past, since you're not really contributing to this one.

It doesn't matter if people here speedrun or not, I'm only giving my suggestions and feedback here as a speedrunner. Since speedrunning is where you'll see the biggest difference in tank balance, especially having played both PLD and DRK.

**sonatahi** · 10-22-2017 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by Sarcatica

So yes, DRK is less optimal but it just doesn't matter for most of you. 200 dps extra isn't going to break your bones.

Balance isn't just about damage. If you don't have anything to make up for that 200 dps difference then it can be a deal breaker.
Having a DRK in your party is just a like a piece of hay poking at your side. It's not going to kill you but you'd have a better time without it.

That said, I do agree that the proposed changes in OP would easily launch DRK into the overpowered zone. Minor potency/duration changes would help DRK become more useful but it won't fix the core problem of its gameplay.

**Kabooa** · 10-22-2017 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by Sarcatica

So yes, DRK is less optimal but it just doesn't matter for most of you. 200 dps extra isn't going to break your bones.

I advocate play what you want as much as anyone else, but it also sucks knowing you can be bringing more and doing better if you were a different job competing for your spot. I say this as a Black mage currently transitioning into Machinist. I definitely need more work on Machinist but I'm already at the point, with just a few hours of practice, where I'd be comfortable with the personal damage I lose by switching, and that margin will only get smaller as the gear catches up and I hammer out the rotation more.

You shouldn't feel -bad- for playing what you want, and that's why these balance discussions will persist despite the speed run population being much lower than even the Savage clear population.

**Sarcatica** · 10-22-2017 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Kabooa

You shouldn't feel -bad- for playing what you want, and that's why these balance discussions will persist despite the speed run population being much lower than even the Savage clear population.

TBH I just don't get the point of "maining a job", you have so many jobs you can play in your role, yet you are so fixated at one. I, for one, switch to WAR for speedrun but it's not like I don't enjoy playing WAR. So you see, it's part of the game. More often that people complain but they can't even get better results in the said 'OP' job.

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