Dusting off the Tome: Summoner Feedback for 4.1

[zuzu-bq]

Yeah that idea aint bad. When the expantion released I was walking with some friends on how BRD's song rotation idea would fit SMN perfectly too if they wanted to apply it to many summons.

>miss ARR SMN that was literal ruin1 mage
>complain that current SMN is ruin mage
haha xd meems

[Galand]

Can we get Bahamut to also last longer? I feel like its a big work up for such a short time of having him on the battlefield.

[ErzaScarlet77]

i wish i could have DoT mage thats not smn. i like all the dot,light pillar stuff that smn does but i dont actually like pet classes

[Karshan]

Okay, trying the other way around : what harm would there be to, just, allow aetherflow (not the abilities, the skill itself) whenever it is on CD ? It would cost nothing to no one, and just make us, complaining folks, forget this "wall" ramming.

Just make this, and bam we're all happy and on the same page. So why the fuck wouldn't they ?

Or am I mistaken here ? Are you formally opposed to that, or do you also think it could be better but we get around well as is ?
First case we will never agree, the second ok well I'm not the kind to settle when I got screwed around by Square

[KumiKuzumi]

To me it should be the other way around. They should add another lock to prevent us from using aetherflow when we have aether trail stacks already lol. I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I love the current version of smn. It has many tools and many forms of optimizing to go above and beyond. It has changed much from it's oversimplified playstyle and that's a great thing!

[zuzu-bq]

@Karshan
I'm not opposed myself. I just think it would go against SE's current idea to close the gap between better players and the average. They probably did many decisions about job's abilities thinking on that, but we can only guess. More opportunity to land stronger Fester inside Trick Attacks and other buffs on langthy fights would slowly increase the gap. That's all I think, really. Would be fun as hell though, doing Trance Festers into Trick Foe at HW was cool and I don't deny it. Meanwhile I agree once again with Kumi, just lock the button altogether while you have aethertrail stacks to avoid "whoops" situations. Many of us certainly had those moments when first experiencing Stormblood SMN. I know I did...

We don't need to all agree as long we can all express ourselves and understand eachother~

[dinnertime]

When the expantion released I was walking with some friends on how BRD's song rotation idea would fit SMN perfectly too if they wanted to apply it to many summons.

I thought of the same thing, too. Demi-Bahamut types of summons for the 6 ARR Primals.
It can totally work on SMN. Summons having advantages of either being better for single-target or AoE, and each having unique supports, but they have long cooldowns which makes you rotate through each of them.

It would be fair to all of the summons unlike right now where Ifrit is better unless you have another caster in the party to make Garuda worth it, while Titan is utterly useless.

Can we get Bahamut to also last longer? I feel like its a big work up for such a short time of having him on the battlefield.

I wish Demi-Bahamut only requires one Dreadwyrm Aether (AKA one Aetherflow-to-Dreadyrm Trance cycle) like in PvP but then again the PvP summoner doesn't have any Egi.

[Renryuu]

For the most part, my only major request would be that they add the PVP treatment of Dreadwyrm Trance & Death Flare and Summon Bahamut & Enkindle Bahamut to the PVE side of things. Just seems silly to me to have both parts of each when you can only use one part at a time anyway (e.g. can't use Deathflare when you can use Dreadwyrm Trance and you can't use Dreadwyrm Trance when you can use Death Flare), so they may as well just make them a single slot skill that changes based on the context of the situation.

[Karshan]

Just one thing though zuzu : the skill gap increased with SB (from 45 to 65%) so lockouts did a poor job on that part. Wyrmwaves aren't responsible of everything in that matter.
As Kumi said, more room for optimisation. But that means harder to do good DPS and gap widening.
Going from 70+% to 30+% shouldn't have happened. Means training hard is needed : shouldn't be the case on a class with so many hours already, not spending other tens of hours practising a class that was well trained before sb, I'm mad at them to put me through that but more : to remove possibilities

[zuzu-bq]

The damage disparity is pretty much the same actually. I'm not saying SE was successful in reducing it. I'm just saying I can see them hiding behind the excuse that this or that other change would increase it. There are lots of ways to optimize yeah, do does any other job, creating more options for it is just a way to create a wider gap between players. If anything the R3 instant change should've helped with this gap, since some players didn't think R2 on Trance was worth it and would just clip stuff on R3. Now you don't have to do it anymore.

The main gap right now on players is because people either can't do the opener, can't do WW properly or fail in cycling each of SMN's "phases". I have been discussing about that lately on a few discord servers I'm in.