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  1. #11
    Player
    micropanther7's Avatar
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    Peony Foxbriar
    World
    Louisoix
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by KingMeteo View Post
    If someone is causing problems for you kick them ASAP. Do not wait and hope it gets better. It won't.
    Eliminate the issue, before it becomes a major issue.
    This is the best advice I can give.
    you want to seem fair, so you don't kick, but that is a major error in judgement.
    Save yourself a lot of pain and kick people who are problems as soon as you can.
    Can't like this post enough, this is true, having been a guild leader myself and an officer in other games (not this one). If you don't nip it in the bud, it can get out of hand (I had someone whispering/sending tells someone else verbally bullying them on a constant basis, tried to resolve it and they openly admitted it, in rather colourful language... not tolerated, out you go). That being said, it depends on the situation, having good officers supporting you (and these should be fair-minded, mature individuals who you trust with that rank), can help you mediate in difficulties with members.

    Decide what goals you have in mind, and the type of people you want to attract (if a person only wants to be in your Fc for the house... ask yourself, do you really want that kind of person in your FC? That's what I'd be asking myself )
    I would go so far as to say, don't give access to guild bank or gil to anyone else, ever.
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  2. #12
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    BillyKaplan's Avatar
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    Lho Polaali
    World
    Moogle
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 23
    Couples aren't a problem so long as they can handle any personal drama well enough (though let it be said that applies to everyone, really). I joined the game, not to mention my FC, to play with my boyfriend and we've since broken up. It was rough for a while but we're both still in the FC and everything's fine.

    One thing I haven't seen explored that you'd want to take care of when assigning permissions to ranks:



    The rank with this icon is the default rank assigned to new players when you recruit them. You cannot change what the default rank is (the rank's permissions and hierarchy yes, just not what's auto-assigned to new members), so make sure that rank has the absolute minimum permissions available. My FC didn't quite do that so we're stuck instantly demoting anyone who joins until a point in time where we overhaul the system and perform massive rank relocations. If you recruit an unsavory person and forget to move them ranks they might cause some serious trouble before you remember to do that. So my advise to you is to make sure that rank is the absolute useless rank in your FC.
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    Last edited by BillyKaplan; 10-19-2017 at 05:41 PM.

  3. #13
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    Voidedge_Ragna's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Edge Void
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    Hey, i started an fc around 3 years ago.

    You need a good base to start, see if you can interest friends. If you recruit do not blind invite and do it when you have a few players on so a new person does not assume "its dead"

    In the long run you want to establish a way for players to bond, we share our stuff on twitter and talk on discord

    Consider doing events, we regularly have glamour contests and quiz nights for players who are not interested in farming

    Be neutral as a leader and get rid of your emotion if you need to take action, talktp both sides if theres a problem. In those 3 years i kicked 2 players

    Beware of your ranks and what they can do with their rights. We got robbed once and it was quite sad because i trusted all, we filled the chest items back in like half an hour. Gil should be only available to leader for fc stuff it is not your money

    Connect and bond with others fcs and create pacts and see if you can join up on events if you cant fill the party alone
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  4. #14
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    Jas710's Avatar
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    Character
    Wolf Spyder
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 70
    As a leader, try to be around as often as possible. Nothing worse than a absent leader, whether or not there are sub-leaders picking up the slack. Demonstrate that you are committed, and not just phoning it in.

    Try to circulate among everyone, and put them first before your own needs. Which is easier said than done for those times when you want to work on your own progress, but that's the sacrifice you have to make that separates you from being a follower. Otherwise, you might as well just be another keyholder. Don't expect that your council will do things for you.

    Don't play around with ranks. Making up temporary ranks for laughs, or constantly changing permissions shows that you are unprofessional and disrespectful to those who might value the ranks you set up.
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  5. #15
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    Yeol's Avatar
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    Character
    Dr Yeol
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 100
    If you are going for a social-Midcore FC then you don't need more than 3 Ranks.
    - Master.
    - Artisan.
    - Member.

    FC Chest:
    Withdraw Gil --> Master.
    Deposit Gil --> Master, Artisan, Member.
    Remove items --> Master, Artisan.
    Add items --> Master, Artisan.

    FC workshop and company credits:
    Buy FC actions --> Master.
    Execute FC actions --> Master, Artisan.
    Workshop and airships --> Master, Artisan.

    there are way more things than what I listed above such as house decoration, harvesting, and gardening.

    If FC members wanted something they can simply contact Master or Artisans.

    Don't invite any random players without FC to yours before talking to them first. They might be without one because they got kicked from their previous FC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jas710 View Post
    As a leader, try to be around as often as possible. Nothing worse than an absent leader, whether or not there are sub-leaders picking up the slack. Demonstrate that you are committed, and not just phoning it in.

    Try to circulate among everyone, and put them first before your own needs. Which is easier said than done for those times when you want to work on your own progress, but that's the sacrifice you have to make that separates you from being a follower. Otherwise, you might as well just be another keyholder. Don't expect that your council will do things for you.
    ^ Very good advice.
    Help your FC members with anything you can. Daily roulettes, weekly loot and so on. This will make them stick around because the FC is actually helpful.

    If drama starts up, handle it privately. If you need to kick someone, do it. Don't worry about losing members.
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    Last edited by Yeol; 10-19-2017 at 06:39 PM.

  6. #16
    Player
    LalaRu's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Character
    Mi An
    World
    Phantom
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Jas710 View Post
    As a leader, try to be around as often as possible. Nothing worse than a absent leader...
    True gold.
    Did lead in the past a casual FC but master must not be casual (as playing time, at least), because things will die out real soon, even if you all are good people.
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  7. #17
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    Alleo's Avatar
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    Character
    Light Khah
    World
    Moogle
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 91
    Well I was once part of FC as one of their leaders so some points that I got from that time:

    -Make rules and stick to them: We had rules for going up the ranks and about the time away from the game. Everyone that wanted to take a longer break should have told us and they would get a special rank to show that they are away but that its known. We needed the information because we did not want a FC that had big numbers but most of them to be "death" players, so we had rules about the amount of days someone could be gone without telling us about it. (They increased with the ranks) This kept our FC a bit small but still at least really active. We also said that certain points needed to be fulfilled for someone to increase their ranks. The lower ones where only about the time playing the game but the higher ones where only reachable if the person also helped greatly in the FC. Problem was at the end that sympathy started to overrule the rules and some of the leaders wanted to give some of the members higher ranks even if they did not fulfill the rule. This should normally be no problem if you are the solo leader but you should still try to do this fair, so that people will not feel bad.

    -Tell the rules to the members. There is no sense in creating them if not everyone knows them.

    The biggest problem we had where certain members that started to poison the environment with their behavior. Sadly we gave them too many chances and often we did not react strictly against them thus it created more anger. If there is a problem try to get the opinion of both sides and if its a smaller problem just talk to them about it. But one should not keep people in the FC if they are causing major problems or annoy other members too much.

    Try to be there for your members but dont try to be the only one that does the work. Being the leader does imo not mean that you have to run every dungeon with every member or that you need to help with whatever problem you can. You need to enjoy your game too and if you notice that you are the only one that gives but does not get something from the rest you should probably have a talk with them. You will be the one that will hear about all the problems if people trust you enough (like telling you about some misbehaviors of others) and you should take care of it if its possible but you are really not the one that should to everything.
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  8. #18
    Player
    LalaRu's Avatar
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    Character
    Mi An
    World
    Phantom
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Troubles must be dealt at first sight. Them will only get worse over time and so far I never saw difficult subjects improving but only worsen.
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  9. #19
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    Character
    Renard Lefeuvre
    World
    Yojimbo
    Main Class
    Alchemist Lv 90
    - Don't give anyone promote/demote permission (this is the cause of 99% of the FC drama on the forums, since you can promote yourself above your normal rank and steal everything even if the other rank permissions are sensible).

    - Take bad behaviour by FC members seriously. If they are not representing you well, review whether they should be a member of the group at all. If I meet unpleasant people I always note their FC tag and judge the rest of the members as I would them, it's a habit I have from old games.
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  10. #20
    Player ShadowHunterrX's Avatar
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    Character
    Mivau Lawantal
    World
    Moogle
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by KingMeteo View Post
    If someone is causing problems for you kick them ASAP. Do not wait and hope it gets better. It won\\'t.
    Eliminate the issue, before it becomes a major issue.
    This is the best advice I can give.
    you want to seem fair, so you don\\'t kick, but that is a major error in judgement.
    Save yourself a lot of pain and kick people who are problems as soon as you can.
    I want to something add. First listen to both sides of the story.

    I got kicked because a person selective make screenshots of a conversation I had with the person and sented to the leader. At the same time the person was covering there own words and were much worse then my.

    Was not a great FC anyway with friends politics and everyone else was just member filling.

    Was still in the LS of the FC 2 years after and suddenly got kicked. The reason was : I cause trouble when active playing. Which was weird , bec i didnt stop playing for the first 8 months this year. The leader must be have a grudge or something.

    So remember people are weird and dont take things personal. So people like the power ingame and will use it when they dislike someone or touching there empire. You as leader wil be butt kissed by these people so watch out who you trust !
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    Last edited by ShadowHunterrX; 10-19-2017 at 10:14 PM.

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