[GUIDE p4.1] Housing Glitches : Placing (almost) everything (almost) everywhere!

[SoranRigel]

Jojoya, I have a feeling that you are not reading my posts.
You are trying to convince me that what I see with my own eyes does not exist.
Are you fine. Happy for you.

Why is something that exists and works in other games turned into a problem in this game, and players are forced to use glitches to simply move furniture?
This is not the first time I have asked this.

Why hasn't anyone changed this for so many years?
Because no one claimed it? No one paid attention to the problem that exists? All took it for granted?
Why?

You have a guide on the use of gaming glitches on the official forum, and no one wondered?

[Alien_Gamer]

Why is something that exists and works in other games turned into a problem in this game, and players are forced to use glitches to simply move furniture?
This is not the first time I have asked this.

Because the devs decided to make it that way.

Why hasn't anyone changed this for so many years? Because no one claimed it? No one paid attention to the problem that exists? All took it for granted? Why?

Because the devs have decided it doesn't need to be changed. To date the only bug they've patched out is the ability to place items in the void space outside of houses.

You have a guide on the use of gaming glitches on the official forum, and no one wondered?

No we didn't because the devs have stated they aren't game breaking bugs and they enjoy seeing what people do with them.

Nobody is trying to say what we have is ideal but we've found ways of making it work. When I first started I had lots of similar issues that you're having with placing things and thought my house was bugged more than normal; in the end I was just doing it wrong. Once I learned how to use the glitches, and understood some of them can be very tricky to do right, things started working. Try making a video of what you're doing and posting a link here, maybe it'll be easier to help once we can see what you're doing.

If you truly believe something is bugged and not working right, make a post in the bug section of the forum and see if the devs fix it.

[Jojoya]

Jojoya, I have a feeling that you are not reading my posts.
You are trying to convince me that what I see with my own eyes does not exist.
Are you fine. Happy for you.

Why is something that exists and works in other games turned into a problem in this game, and players are forced to use glitches to simply move furniture?
This is not the first time I have asked this.

Why hasn't anyone changed this for so many years?
Because no one claimed it? No one paid attention to the problem that exists? All took it for granted?
Why?

You have a guide on the use of gaming glitches on the official forum, and no one wondered?

What are you seeing with your own eyes that does not exist?

If you're talking about how things are done in other games and assuming that because something is one way in another game that it should be the same way here, you're making a lot of ignorant assumptions.

Different games have different game engines and different programming. Not all games run on all the same gaming platforms. Any combination of these differences can prevent something that works on one game from working in another.

It's no secret that FFXIV developers are hampered by the 1.0 game engine the game was built on. They've chipped away at it and made some improvements over the years but there are still many things they wold like to do but can't. Trying to fix some things can break other parts of the game that are working fine, unrelated as they may seem to player eyes.

Housing isn't the only part of the game in need of code improvement and some of the other parts are going to be higher up on the priority list for getting fixed. SE is not ignorant nor uncaring of player discussion but they can't make all the changes they would like to make to the game let alone make all the changes that players want. They do their best with what they have to work with.

Perhaps some day they'll find a way to rewrite that part of the game engine that controls player housing so item placement will become simpler and more intuitive. But for now, we don't have that. We need to work with the methods players have found through experimenting.

It's your choice on whether you want to learn those methods. You're the one missing out if you don't.

You can place windows directly onto a partition using the storage glitch.

You can float almost every indoor furnishing using one of the floating glitches, though there are certain height requirements to be met that vary by item.

There are many items that can be placed closer to house/room walls using the storage glitch than you can with normal placement.

All these things work. I just used them this week. If they aren't working for you, then tell us exactly what you're doing so we can figure out what is going wrong.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

Why is something that exists and works in other games turned into a problem in this game, and players are forced to use glitches to simply move furniture?
This is not the first time I have asked this.

Because every game is coded differently. Just because one game can do something with ease does not mean it is easy to implement the same feature in a different game. For instance, City of Heroes has a base builder that can do all we want in FFXIV and more. You can move things up or down the Z axis and even drag things through the air without them snapping to the ground. You can ignore collision and push items into the boundary walls as well (to a point). City of Heroes is way older than FFXIV but just because an older game can do these things does not mean it is a simple matter for such features to be added to FFXIV. Modifying code has risks of breaking things that currently work.

Why hasn't anyone changed this for so many years?
Because no one claimed it? No one paid attention to the problem that exists? All took it for granted?

There are multiple answers to this, none of which us non-devs can claim is "the" answer. But answers could possibly include:

1) Cost/Benefit = a loss on investment. What that means is that the time and money spent on trying to implement these things could be too high and the return on that investment too low.

2) Doing so could break other things. What non-coders often fail to realize is that in more cases than devs would like to admit, changing code in one system could have unintended consequences for other completely unrelated systems. Coding is complicated, oft times poorly documented, and as new employees replace old ones, the new ones often have less understanding of what currently exists.

3) Future development (i.e. new xpacs) has higher priority. I really don't like this one because many many game devs do this but I understand why it is done. Devs would rather focus resources on new things rather than fix/improve old things. New content and features for a game equals a draw for new players or unsubbed players to return. That has a way higher return on investment than just making housing better because housing is a niche feature in the game, and fewer people than you might think actually engage with it.

There are likely more possible answers but those are the ones that immediately come to mind.

I'm not saying SE shouldn't take the time and resources to give us these features. I want them as much as every other person who engages with housing does. I am also not trying to excuse SE from doing what I think they should, merely trying to give you perspective from their point of view.

[Elamys]

People have been requesting the ability to freely place furniture along the Z axis since housing was released. It's not any player's fault that SE hasn't addressed this issue or sees it as a priority. Like Jojoya said, the glitches do work, equally, for everyone. There is no point at getting upset with other players over this.

These are your options:

1.) Try to figure out where the glitch is going wrong.
2.) Find someone else to help you do the glitch, if it's for a house.
3.) Decorate without glitches.
4.) Wait until SE decides to implement Z-axis placement.

SE has directly addressed the usage of housing glitches and they have said that fixing them is not a priority unless it impacts the servers.

[ern815]

Resurrecting the old thread.. Does anyone know if the old loft glitch still works? I know there is wooden loft now but i wonder if the old ones still work.

[Kytrin]

Resurrecting the old thread.. Does anyone know if the old loft glitch still works? I know there is wooden loft now but i wonder if the old ones still work.

I believe they do, but they're still a pain in the rear to get to work.

[ern815]

I believe they do, but they're still a pain in the rear to get to work.

Thanks! Glad to hear that it still works considering I prefer to use the thick stages than the thin wooden loft from time to time. Sometimes it's more aesthetically pleasing.

[Kytrin]

Thanks! Glad to hear that it still works considering I prefer to use the thick stages than the thin wooden loft from time to time. Sometimes it's more aesthetically pleasing.

No problem! Good luck in getting them to cooperate!

[Jojoya]

Thanks! Glad to hear that it still works considering I prefer to use the thick stages than the thin wooden loft from time to time. Sometimes it's more aesthetically pleasing.

You can still float the stages with the same glitches used to place/float other items. You do need to start it with using another item like the Rivera Open-Shelf Bookcase before you switch to Stage Panel+Riviera Wall Shelf or Wooden Loft.

For me, that's a lot faster (takes 5-10 minutes tops) than using the old wall glitch (which could take me up to an hour to find the perfect angle and spot to get the placement to take). It also allows you to have more of the stage accessible if you want instead of being limited to exactly half of the stage since the wall glitch required snapping the anchor point flush with the wall.