Thread: [GUIDE p4.1] Housing Glitches : Placing (almost) everything (almost) everywhere!

Originally Posted by Gula

I see. Well, my guess to it not working are people either exiting the menu too slow or their placement is off. I do agree we should just be able to do the things, but if I can do it, then I think anyone can. I also primarily play on PS4 so maybe its a PC thing? Because everything I glitch works without fail when done correctly.

A free placement mode would be really, really fun. And would help save hours of slow frustration when you misjudge just 1 pixel and get ultimate Z fighting on objects, then have to do it all over again.

Your version about PS4 is good, but I saw guides for the PC in which the authors had no problems with placement.
However, for me and all my friends playing on PC, this glitch doesn't work. I follow the guide thoroughly.

And I do not like adrenaline when I try to relax after work and create the design of my house.

Soran, I play on PC and am using that loft glitch right now as I write this message. At least every other week someone starts saying the glitch has been fixed since we found it a year ago, but this hasn't been the case yet.

However, it is very finicky. What particularly is the problem? Is it not moving at all? Is it falling back to the floor?

I agree that we should be able to place things freely along the Z-axis, but unfortunately this is not possible right now. If the glitch is giving you too much trouble to bear, there are still plenty of interesting tabletop items you can use to make a second floor.

Originally Posted by Elamys

Soran, I play on PC and am using that loft glitch right now as I write this message. At least every other week someone starts saying the glitch has been fixed since we found it a year ago, but this hasn't been the case yet.
However, it is very finicky. What particularly is the problem? Is it not moving at all? Is it falling back to the floor?
I agree that we should be able to place things freely along the Z-axis, but unfortunately this is not possible right now. If the glitch is giving you too much trouble to bear, there are still plenty of interesting tabletop items you can use to make a second floor.

Elamys, the developers initially put us players in a situation where we need to use glitches. It’s bad and it’s not clear why this is.

It is also bad that those players for whom glitches work do not understand (or don't want to understand) that, firstly, this is a bugging in fact, and secondly, there are those for whom glitches do not work.
Why are we not in equal conditions from the beginning?

Now there is a problem in order to place any wall-mounted objects on the partitions. It's hard to believe, but it is. You cannot even place items that should work like this.

Originally Posted by SoranRigel

Placement of objects on partitions (windows, for example, but after today's launch of the game bug is valid with all objects - which requires restarting the client, but this does not guarantee its correction) does not work.

Raising non-tabletop furniture doesn't work by putting objects under it, therefore Wooden Loft cannot be used as a second floor.

And I wonder again and again: why use glitches just to put the furniture where I want?

I use PC with keyboard/mouse.

I just placed multiple windows on partitions this week when I redecorated my house.

I just floated multiple furnishing this week to loft levels. Most of them I floated using Stage Panel and Wooden Loft. A few items I had to start with the Riviera Open-Shelf Bookcase before I switched to the loft.

All the tricks still work just fine. I do have a low level alt on Spriggan that I could use to help you get your furnishings in place. Keep in mind that furnishings do have a minimum height they must be floated to and you do need to rotate the items, go outside your housing and go back in to make certain they will "stick" where you placed them.

As to why use glitches? Because SE hasn't programmed the system to work differently. They have made some small adjustments over time that has made doing some of these things easier but we don't know the limits of their code. Sometimes trying to change code to make something possible breaks other code that had been working correctly.

Originally Posted by SoranRigel

It is also bad that those players for whom glitches work do not understand (or don't want to understand) that, firstly, this is a bagging in fact, and secondly, there are those for whom glitches do not work.

The glitches do work equally for all players. The game doesn't single out anyone and say "I'm not going to let you glitch these housing items even though I let other players glitch them." Understanding what to do is the key.

With the new wards opened recently, several members of my FC were able to buy a house for the first time when houses opened up in the old wards as players relocated into the new wards. I've been walking them through the various glitch tricks and none of them are experiencing problems. The only thing that's been close to a problem for them is White Rectangular Partition because it has to be raised in tiny increments compared to most other items.

If a player doesn't want to understand how these tricks work, then they miss out unless they get a friend who does understand to do the decorating for them. We don't have other options for now, and there's no telling if we ever will.

Jojoya, I have a feeling that you are not reading my posts.
You are trying to convince me that what I see with my own eyes does not exist.
Are you fine. Happy for you.

Why is something that exists and works in other games turned into a problem in this game, and players are forced to use glitches to simply move furniture?
This is not the first time I have asked this.

Why hasn't anyone changed this for so many years?
Because no one claimed it? No one paid attention to the problem that exists? All took it for granted?
Why?

You have a guide on the use of gaming glitches on the official forum, and no one wondered?

People have been requesting the ability to freely place furniture along the Z axis since housing was released. It's not any player's fault that SE hasn't addressed this issue or sees it as a priority. Like Jojoya said, the glitches do work, equally, for everyone. There is no point at getting upset with other players over this.

These are your options:

1.) Try to figure out where the glitch is going wrong.
2.) Find someone else to help you do the glitch, if it's for a house.
3.) Decorate without glitches.
4.) Wait until SE decides to implement Z-axis placement.

SE has directly addressed the usage of housing glitches and they have said that fixing them is not a priority unless it impacts the servers.

Originally Posted by SoranRigel

Why is something that exists and works in other games turned into a problem in this game, and players are forced to use glitches to simply move furniture?
This is not the first time I have asked this.

Because every game is coded differently. Just because one game can do something with ease does not mean it is easy to implement the same feature in a different game. For instance, City of Heroes has a base builder that can do all we want in FFXIV and more. You can move things up or down the Z axis and even drag things through the air without them snapping to the ground. You can ignore collision and push items into the boundary walls as well (to a point). City of Heroes is way older than FFXIV but just because an older game can do these things does not mean it is a simple matter for such features to be added to FFXIV. Modifying code has risks of breaking things that currently work.

Originally Posted by SoranRigel

Why hasn't anyone changed this for so many years?
Because no one claimed it? No one paid attention to the problem that exists? All took it for granted?

There are multiple answers to this, none of which us non-devs can claim is "the" answer. But answers could possibly include:

1) Cost/Benefit = a loss on investment. What that means is that the time and money spent on trying to implement these things could be too high and the return on that investment too low.

2) Doing so could break other things. What non-coders often fail to realize is that in more cases than devs would like to admit, changing code in one system could have unintended consequences for other completely unrelated systems. Coding is complicated, oft times poorly documented, and as new employees replace old ones, the new ones often have less understanding of what currently exists.

3) Future development (i.e. new xpacs) has higher priority. I really don't like this one because many many game devs do this but I understand why it is done. Devs would rather focus resources on new things rather than fix/improve old things. New content and features for a game equals a draw for new players or unsubbed players to return. That has a way higher return on investment than just making housing better because housing is a niche feature in the game, and fewer people than you might think actually engage with it.

There are likely more possible answers but those are the ones that immediately come to mind.

I'm not saying SE shouldn't take the time and resources to give us these features. I want them as much as every other person who engages with housing does. I am also not trying to excuse SE from doing what I think they should, merely trying to give you perspective from their point of view.